Trailer Breaking Downhill

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #16  
Old 03-07-2017, 05:06 AM
senix's Avatar
senix
senix is online now
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 36,591
Received 1,415 Likes on 1,010 Posts
Use the stabbing method to slow the truck on those downhills to preserve the brakes.


Stabbing is just a hard braking event to slow it about 5 mph then let off to cool the brakes.


Follow the suggested speed that is posted for trucks on the downhill run. That is a good starting point.
 
  #17  
Old 03-07-2017, 09:48 AM
wrvond's Avatar
wrvond
wrvond is offline
Cargo Master
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 2,745
Received 66 Likes on 46 Posts
Originally Posted by volwing1
A what if question- what if I set cruise control on 45 mph- would my truck downshift on its on to hold 45? It does this when not towing or in "tow mode".


Yes, it will. Here's the "however" part - with enough mass (large truck and camper) and a steep enough grade, even locking the transmission in first gear may not be enough to keep the speed down (in theory). In other words, at some point you are going to encounter a grade that is going to be more than cruise or manual can comfortably handle, and you are going to have to step on the brake. This will, of course, disable cruise, and you will suddenly find yourself in sixth gear being pushed down the mountain by your trailer.
Best practice is to limit the transmission by locking out the upper gears (or use manual mode) and judiciously applying the brakes to manage your speed on the grade.
 
  #18  
Old 03-07-2017, 11:02 AM
rvpuller's Avatar
rvpuller
rvpuller is offline
Moderator
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Home Base Nebraska
Posts: 6,043
Received 431 Likes on 282 Posts
The combination of 6 speed, manual mode, tow haul and gear lockout gives the driver many combinations when hauling loads. I use them all at different times on our journeys depending on road conditions, I also use the CC more on this truck than any other truck I have ever pulled with because of this combination, you just have to try them all to see what works the best for the roads and what your comfortable with. I've pulled for years and with this truck with the 6 speed and drive by wire it was a long learning curve to figure out what worked for me.

Denny
 
  #19  
Old 03-08-2017, 07:52 AM
Slowpoke Slim's Avatar
Slowpoke Slim
Slowpoke Slim is offline
Laughing Gas
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Bismarck, ND
Posts: 1,167
Received 22 Likes on 16 Posts
Originally Posted by rvpuller
I'm running a 6.2 with 4.30 gears pulling a 16K trailer and when I go down big grades I use the manual mode exclusively, the torque converter is locked in the M mode so it's just like a manual transmission. My combination is heavy enough so the motor can't hold it back completely so I have to use some braking, I let the speed build and then use heavy braking to bring it back down and then let off so the brakes came cool between braking cycles. The big grades I'm referring to are in the Rock Mountains.

Denny

That is EXACTLY what I do. Use Manual Mode folks. You'll never want to tow heavy without it again. Denny turned me on to using the mode last summer. And trying it for myself made a firm believer out of me.

And the heavy braking then off again method is what I was taught in truck driver school 30+ years ago. Also going down a grade in the same gear you would be going up the equivalent grade in. Start at the top of the hill in the gear you want to be in while going down the hill. Not quite as critical with today's auto transmissions, but a good mind set to have.
 
  #20  
Old 03-08-2017, 11:36 AM
BPofMD's Avatar
BPofMD
BPofMD is offline
FTE Legend

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Millersville, MD
Posts: 65,324
Received 1,097 Likes on 997 Posts
My 6.0 with automatic holds going down steep grades very well in Tow/Haul. If it starts going too fast, I just hit the brake and it shifts down automatically. Or as an alternate I can put it in cruise control and select the speed - 40 - 45 whatever. Both works very well!
 
  #21  
Old 03-11-2017, 11:56 PM
olfordsnstone's Avatar
olfordsnstone
olfordsnstone is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Other side of the sunrise
Posts: 5,232
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by volwing1
A what if question- what if I set cruise control on 45 mph- would my truck downshift on its on to hold 45? It does this when not towing or in "tow mode".
When in tow haul mode, mine will down shift on down grades to maintain the same rate of speed I am traveling, as long as the speed I was going before letting off the accelerator after cresting the top of the hill and heading down the grade, is at or less than the desired down grade speed. An exception is, if it is a very steep grade, and the rpms rise to an unsafe engine speed, your truck will upshift to a safer engine speed for the health of the engine. I will use my brake to assist the tow haul system to keep from engine overspeed. Tow haul can't do all of the work, however. The tow haul does help me save my brakes to its capacity.
 
  #22  
Old 03-12-2017, 10:58 AM
Irelands child's Avatar
Irelands child
Irelands child is offline
Fleet Mechanic
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,896
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes on 6 Posts
I don't care much for the Tow/Haul functions shifting to engine scream pain though do use it and often shut it off on long steep downhills, relying on the M position or at least shifting down manually using the paddle switch and occasional braking to maintain safe, comfortable speed. I also manually shifted as much as possible on the last truck too, a 6.8 V10 to prevent those 4500-5000 rpm engine wails. This method has carted us in the sig 5er through the Adirondacks, Berkshires, Green, Rockies, Wasatch and Allegheny mountain ranges, just to name a few, with up to 8%, 5+ mile grades. I seldom rely solely on trailer brakes as they are at best, mediocre, being really too light duty, IMHO, in the drum brake configuration for the weight they are expected to whoa down.
 
  #23  
Old 03-12-2017, 07:55 PM
olfordsnstone's Avatar
olfordsnstone
olfordsnstone is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Other side of the sunrise
Posts: 5,232
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Remember, v-8 diesel engines (even more so v-10s gassers for that matter) are designed to run at higher RPMs. In fact, that is where their optimal power bands are. 6 Cyl diesels are different, enjoying lower revs with gobs of power at lower RPMs. I have to remember this when I drive bigger diesel trucks at work, to keep RPMs down. My 6.0 likes to rev a bit more. Don't let RPMs scare you while your driving a Ford or Chevy diesel light duty pickup.
 
  #24  
Old 03-13-2017, 07:58 PM
mptjelgin's Avatar
mptjelgin
mptjelgin is offline
Tuned
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 274
Received 19 Likes on 14 Posts
The 6.8L V-10 is perfectly content with engine braking at 4500 - 5000 rpm on steep downhill grades. That is exactly what it was designed for, and it will do it all day long. I would never dream of shutting off the Tow/Haul function on a steep downhill grade.
 
  #25  
Old 03-13-2017, 08:07 PM
Chuck's First Ford's Avatar
Chuck's First Ford
Chuck's First Ford is offline
Postmaster
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: very South Texas
Posts: 4,392
Likes: 0
Received 15 Likes on 15 Posts
rpm's under power or as engine braking.....

there is the Human issue... and AGE..... Comfort....

till I passed 55... 12,000 rpm motorcycles 1,000 cc, 4 cylinder engines.. I loved and lived with..
or 8,000 rpm V8 car engines...

now at 65.... 7,000 is my limit of comfort....

as for my Ford 6.2L.. I fully understand it limits... but 5,000 rpm during engine braking is not pleasant to my nerves or ears..
I know it will do no harm to itself.. but to me.. not fun.

So I understand... DON'T Get OLD..... its' a Trap...
.
.ever hear the 125cc 6 cylinder 4 stroke, Honda racing engine.. red line was 22,000 rpm's.
.
 
  #26  
Old 03-14-2017, 01:00 PM
BPofMD's Avatar
BPofMD
BPofMD is offline
FTE Legend

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Millersville, MD
Posts: 65,324
Received 1,097 Likes on 997 Posts
WOW... that gotta be a screamer ! And prob no muffler either...
 
  #27  
Old 03-17-2017, 10:15 PM
olfordsnstone's Avatar
olfordsnstone
olfordsnstone is offline
Lead Driver
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Other side of the sunrise
Posts: 5,232
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by BPofMD
WOW... that gotta be a screamer ! And prob no muffler either...
For some reason, this post reminds me of an old girl friend.
 
  #28  
Old 07-27-2021, 01:41 PM
Mark250's Avatar
Mark250
Mark250 is offline
More Turbo
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Carthage, Mo
Posts: 528
Received 8 Likes on 6 Posts
There are many different modes and ways to use all the tow features on these trucks. I find the engine brake (what Ford calls it) pretty effective. My goal is to stay off the brakes and keep trans shifts to a minimum and it works quite well for me. Now if it is in automatic mode, it will downshift whenever you hit the brakes and then it gets a little clumsy with delayed upshifting at the bottom of the hill. I tow quite a bit in mountains and my preferred method is with the trans in manual mode. Then I use the first push of the engine brake (automatic I think). Full control of gearing and no annoying downshifting, revving, and delayed shifts when you get back on the go pedal. I don't think anybody mentioned it but you will notice a little boost on the gauge when it is working, up to 10 lbs in my experience.
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Muddy1
2017+ Super Duty
24
08-04-2021 10:10 PM
tracyclifton
6.7L Power Stroke Diesel
7
07-09-2015 11:08 AM
BCM
6.7L Power Stroke Diesel
35
08-02-2013 11:54 PM
ramrod7373
1994.5 - 1997 7.3L Power Stroke Diesel
14
02-23-2013 03:52 PM
warrenrk
1999 to 2016 Super Duty
8
08-01-2010 08:03 AM



Quick Reply: Trailer Breaking Downhill



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:40 PM.