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Old Feb 27, 2017 | 11:41 AM
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Radiator Support Mounts

Does anyone have any info on the specs. for the radiator support mounting hardware and rubber bushings?

I'm specifically looking for the rubber bushing thickness and bolt length.

I'd like to make my own.

How do these F'ers sleep at night charging what they do for two pieces of rubber, two washers, a bolt and nut? It's not like they're recouping R&D costs.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2017 | 12:06 PM
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1972 F100/350...doesn't say upper or lower...2 5/32" high...identified FESM.
67/71 F100/350........upper...1 3/8" tall.
67/71 F100/350........lower....5/8" I.D. X 2" O.D. X 7/8" thick.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2017 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 72CC428
Does anyone have any info on the specs. for the radiator support mounting hardware and rubber bushings?

I'm specifically looking for the rubber bushing thickness and bolt length.

I'd like to make my own.

How do these F'ers sleep at night charging what they do for two pieces of rubber, two washers, a bolt and nut? It's not like they're recouping R&D costs.
Like some of my business suppliers on a big pile of money. The original mounts have the washers with the threaded collars that sandwich the mounts on the frame. Most of the aftermarket ones use a sleeve between the washers so that you can only tighten them a certain amount. I agree the price is too high but what can you do?
 
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
1972 F100/350...doesn't say upper or lower...2 5/32" high...identified FESM.
67/71 F100/350........upper...1 3/8" tall.
67/71 F100/350........lower....5/8" I.D. X 2" O.D. X 7/8" thick.
Thanks Jeff. Is that 2"+5/32" thick total? That sounds awfully thick for the bushings?

67-71 measurements sound good but there has to be a reason the 72 is different. And as per Murphy, I have a 72.

What is FESM?
 
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Old Feb 27, 2017 | 06:03 PM
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Thanks for the diagram Bill. Is there a source I can go to find the part specifications using the part #'s in the diagram?
 
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Originally Posted by 72CC428
Thanks Jeff. Is that 2"+5/32" thick total? That sounds awfully thick for the bushings?

67-71 measurements sound good but there has to be a reason the 72 is different. And as per Murphy, I have a 72.

What is FESM?
Front End Sheet Metal. That's how they are listed. I can't see how 72 wouldn't use the same as 67/71. Core supports no different. Frame not either. That 1972 entry has to be wrong. I was just stating what was listed. Note Ford only listed the one for 72. Not an upper and lower.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2017 | 06:10 PM
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Thanks for the diagram Bill. Is there a source I can go to find the part specifications using the part #'s in the diagram?
No there isn't. Other than what I posted above. Note the basic numbers 00154 and 00155 both in Bill's pic. Those are what I posted the sizes for above.
 
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Dueling parts catalog references.

Body section 000, page 13 under basic number 00154: Look at D3TZ-1000396-C .. for 1965/71, it sez: 1 3/8" high, but for 1972 .. it sez: 2 5/32" high.

Whiz over to the 1973/79 catalog, it also sez 2 5/32" high.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Dueling parts catalog references.

Body section 000, page 13 under basic number 00154: Look at D3TZ-1000396-C .. for 1965/71, it sez: 1 3/8" high, but for 1972 .. it sez: 2 5/32" high.

Whiz over to the 1973/79 catalog, it also sez 2 5/32" high.
I know what you mean Bill. The trouble is 72/ only shows the one part number. That Dent number you and I have both referenced now and in the past. Not an upper and lower. At least the upper would have to be the same as 67/71. The 5005 frame and 16138 core support part numbers didn't change in 1972 to reflect different mounts as you know. So an upper mount's dimension can't jump that much different. I can understand if that taller D3TZ was then used as the lower. But 1972/ catalog listing makes no sense. Unless "in 1972" they designed the D3TZ mount for the 1973 new body style and it then got slipped in to the 65/72 catalog under 1972 Bumps by accident. I am shocked no Parts Manager brought this to Ford's attention back in the day to get corrected.
 
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
I know what you mean Bill. The trouble is 72/ only shows the one part number. That Dent number you and I have both referenced now and in the past. Not an upper and lower. At least the upper would have to be the same as 67/71. The 5005 frame and 16138 core support part numbers didn't change in 1972 to reflect different mounts as you know. So an upper mount's dimension can't jump that much different. I can understand if that taller D3TZ was then used as the lower. But 1972/ catalog listing makes no sense. Unless "in 1972" they designed the D3TZ mount for the 1973 new body style and it then got slipped in to the 65/72 catalog under 1972 Bumps by accident.

I am shocked no Parts Manager brought this to Ford's attention back in the day to get corrected.
How many people were replacing cab mounts "back in the day?"

I don't recall ever looking up any of these parts until I showed up here (11/4/2006) on FTE

I called that 800 number at least once a week to report errors in parts catalog. Some were corrected in later editions.
 
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Originally Posted by JEFFFAFA
No there isn't. Other than what I posted above. Note the basic numbers 00154 and 00155 both in Bill's pic. Those are what I posted the sizes for above.
Thanks Jeff. Where do I find the Front end sheet metal info? Is that in a Ford manual I can buy or reference from a library?

Sorry for the late reply. I see your referencing a manual.

This sucks. I would imagine the height and placement of these bushings might be kind of important for proper body parts alignment. Not something that can be " adjusted as you go ".
 
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How many people were replacing cab mounts "back in the day?"

I don't recall ever looking up any of these parts until I showed up here (11/4/2006) on FTE

I called that 800 number at least once a week to report errors in parts catalog. Some were corrected in later editions.
I remember selling Dent core support mounts and cab mounts. And Bullnose. But not Bump mounts until I landed here also. And the hot Phoenix temps dry out rubber.

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This sucks. I would imagine the height and placement of these bushings might be kind of important for proper body parts alignment. Not something that can be " adjusted as you go ".
I think if you go by the 67/71 dimensions I posted in post #2 you'll be fine. If you measure your existing worn out mounts their dimensions are prolly close to the new 67/71 ones. Because they were originally one in the same.
 
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IF.... the number for the 72 and 73-79 is a total thickness of the two bushings then each bushing should be 1+ 3/16th" approx. Round again and say 1 and 1/4" . That's only a 1/8" difference ( approx. ) between the totals . If we take a 1/4" off of one and add it to the other, then we have one that is 1 and 1/2" approx. ( upper ) and one that is 6/8" approx. ( bottom ). Pretty close to the 67-71 thicknesses.


Until I get info saying otherwise, I'm going to use what you guys confirmed for 67-71.

If I come up with any harder knowledge I'll share.

Thanks guys, Todd.

The most important thickness is the top one since this dictates the height of the front of the quarters, grill, hood and inner fenders. Right?
 
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Until I get info saying otherwise, I'm going to use what you guys confirmed for 67-71.

If I come up with any harder knowledge I'll share.

Thanks guys, Todd.

The most important thickness is the top one since this dictates the height of the front of the quarters, grill, hood and inner fenders. Right?
Correct. That's why I mentioned above the taller D3TZ mount listed for 1972 CAN'T be the upper mount.
 
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