I really like the new Superduty and the performance of the PowerStroke engine and transmission is amazing (I haven't driven one since my 2014).

I think, in many ways, the 2017 is the best truck on the market.

I really like my Ram though. I like that it easily gets 2 mpg than my 2014 PowerStroke and I also feel that the Longhorn interior materials are better than the Platinum / King Ranch interiors. I do wish I would have purchased the air suspension and a megacab. I really regret those choices.

My only real beef with the Superduty is the brand support behind the truck. I've had problems with Ford warranty support in the past that is in family with some of the horror stories I read on here.

I too agree with Tom when it comes to brand loyalty. I'm loyal to no brand...but I won't buy a car made in China (Talking to you Volvo and Buick).

 

I disagree, I have driven a 2014 Ram 3500 Cummins quite extensively and the throttle response is great on them. Off the line it is not as fast as the powerstroke but passing power on the highway the Cummins has better response and moves faster than the powerstroke. I should add that it has the 68rfe as the aisin has more torque management and defuels between shifts so even though you get the high output Cummins it is not as fast as the 68rfe equipped models.

 

And buying a truck made in Mexico is acceptable? (Talking to you Ram)


Anyways the FCA warranty approval is plagued in red tape so hope you don't have to deal with that.

 

I seriously doubt the aisin transmission is torque limited more than the 68rfe. The 68rfe are at the limit of the cummins power and add a mild tune and that 68rfe is toast in no time.

 

I drive a 68rfe everyday, I have for a few years. Its definitely not as fast as a duramax or powerstroke.

 

I've had minimal driving experience with the lml duramax and none with the l5p but have had extensive seat time in a 2014 Ram Cummins cclb srw 3.42's and a 2016 F350 cclb 6.7 srw with 3.55's. Highway power is not even a question, unloaded or loaded it has hands down better throttle response and is quicker then the 6.7 powerstroke. Like I said, off the line the Ford is faster, but pulling out to pass there's no question, sorry but that's the truth from my many experiences with it. The 68rfe with a valvebody upgrade and trans tune can hold 75hp over stock with any load behind it for basically forever as long as you're not doing boosted launches with it. The 6r140 I would agree is stouter overall but my best friend toasted his C3 clutch pack with a 30hp economy tune from h&s on his 2012 f350. Some of our company trucks have also had solenoid failures as well as a turbo failure and a couple cp4 failures and fords warranty is not as good as fca's in my opinion. Go test drive an aisin and a 68rfe back to back if you don't beleive me. Once the aisin is at 10 mph the torque management is less than the 68rfe but before that it is definitely more torque managed and that is from a reputable engineer who helped design the 68rfe. The aisin as69rc de fuels between shifts and the 68rfe does not. The 0-60 time is quite a bit faster with the 68rfe equipped trucks. The Cummins exhaust brake is night and day better (not even close with 15,000lbs behind the truck) and the Cummins sees about 3-4 mpg's better than the powerstroke. The 12,300lbs gvwr is also a big plus over the fords 11,500lbs gvwr. Beleive what you want but this is our companies experience with these trucks.

 

You can "seriously doubt" all you want but you should check the facts before posting an allegation like that, that you are unsure of. The 68rfe is a good trans, although the 6r140 is the best transmission in the 350/3500 segment in my opinion. It is built fairly robust and the tuning is good from factory.

 

2013xlt; The "reputable engineer" that helped design the 68rfe you spoke with must be near the grave, if not dead. The 68rfe was designed in the 1960's. Its nothing more than a glorified Chrysler 727 transmission with an electronic overdrive bolted on the back.

 

Oh ya... I'm sure that it was engineers in the 1960's that designed the entire transmission and completely implemented it in a 3rd/4th gen Ram and wrote all off the programming and shift algorithms. You can't lack that much knowledge to not being able to understand that the 68rfe has had multiple engineers that designed and had countless hours of r&d just before it's introduction in 2007.5. Give me a break... the 1960's.... really... lol. You're just being silly. The original design of the 68rfe was a lot better then the Allison 1000 but then came along Chrysler corporate that made them change it and cut corners to reduce cost that made it into a lesser transmission (the one that exists now).

 

Lay off the Kool aid bro.

 

Pretty hipocritical don't you think? There's no kool-aid here. I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the 6r140 is a superior transmission. But I'm in no way loyal to Ford or sip the "Ford kool-aid", and don't feel the need to be falsely bashing other manufacturers when they all make respectable trucks and each of them have the pros and cons.

 

Ahem...

Despite Trump, Ford moves ahead with plans for Mexico plants - Feb. 17, 2017

I'm not here to bash Ford as I like the new Super Duty a lot. But let's call a spade a spade here. Ford is LEGENDARY for fighting customers on warranty claims. GM and FCA don't even come close. You have to go no further than this forum to figure that out.

 

I can see where this thread is going...

 

Gentlemen, cease with the bickering please.

 

2013xlt, come on. There is a reason the torque output of the Cummins is reduced on the 68RFE transmission...and there is a reason the Aisin costs a considerable penny more. The 68RFE may be completely fine for the 800lb-ft it is rated for, but its not in the same league as the Aisin or the 6R140. In fact, the 6R140 is used all the way up through the F-750 trucks, such is the confidence level. On a whole, that transmission has proven to be extremely reliable and robust.

Virtually every modern automatic transmission reduces torque for a split second during a shift to smooth it out. I think you'll find the 68RFE does the same. Transmissions have been doing this since the mid 1990's.

I would challenge any RAM you like to a passing speed race from 50-70 or what have you. The RAM, whether equipped with the G56, the 68RFE, or the Aisin is *always* the slowest truck on the road. The inline-6 may be able to develop torque, but it doesn't do nearly as well in the horsepower department as the V8 diesels.

Whether or not the 68RFE is quicker than an Aisin I have no idea - but if we are racing SRW trucks my money would be on the 3500 Aisin truck - a few more horsepower, and 100lb-ft more.

The exhaust brakes on the 2011-2014 Powerstrokes were admittedly pretty much non-existant. However, the 2015-16 Fords have a quite decent brake, and the 2017 trucks have a new even better two-mode brake. I'd pit the 2017 Ford brake against the RAM brake and expect quite competitive results.