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Old Feb 1, 2017 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by troverman
The 6.7L Powerstroke is every bit as durable as the Cummins 6.7L but with the added benefit of more power and torque...

By the way, the 6.0L can actually be a very good motor if you correct the inherent issues it was designed with.

and better tranny and better fuel mileage plus electric rear locker. So what's the concern again? Lol
 
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Old Feb 1, 2017 | 07:27 PM
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That says a lot right there -- thanks for sharing
 
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Old Feb 1, 2017 | 08:57 PM
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I had 160k On my 6.4 powerstroke when i traded it in on my new 17. Other than standard wear issues i didnt have any issues like some people talked about. I did routine maint. and did all the mods i wanted to it and it was a beast. I would routinely get on the forums and here nothing but horror stories about the 6.4 and it can make you feel as if you look at it wrong its blown. That is just not the case with these engines. I am an aircraft mech and i can promise you i have seen multi million doallar aircraft that are brand new have serious issues. If it is man made it will fail at some point. If 700 trucks out of the 100k sold have issuse and 20 of them get on here and fill the forum with problem stories that is all you will see. People come on here to find answers to problems if everything was perfect what would we talk about?
same thing here, had my 08 6.4 for 4 years (bought it used) and had 130,000 miles on it when I traded it in. It was a great truck, best track I've ever had until the 17 (so far). Truck pulled like a freight train and never gave me a lick of trouble.
​​​​​​​i guess you could say I was lucky, but I prefer to believe it's actually a very good motor with a slew of first gen emissions crap on it. Take that crap off and the 6.4 will run a long ways.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 04:57 AM
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My 6.4 was a good one too. Had it for 5 years. Towed and hauled a lot with it.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bikerman5345
I had 160k On my 6.4 powerstroke when i traded it in on my new 17. Other than standard wear issues i didnt have any issues like some people talked about. I did routine maint. and did all the mods i wanted to it and it was a beast. I would routinely get on the forums and here nothing but horror stories about the 6.4 and it can make you feel as if you look at it wrong its blown. That is just not the case with these engines. I am an aircraft mech and i can promise you i have seen multi million doallar aircraft that are brand new have serious issues. If it is man made it will fail at some point. If 700 trucks out of the 100k sold have issuse and 20 of them get on here and fill the forum with problem stories that is all you will see. People come on here to find answers to problems if everything was perfect what would we talk about?
That's a really good point Bikerman5345, and people probably don't want to read the good stories like these about the 6.4. I guess that's why the evening news is always bad news. Its refreshing to hear about the good 6.4's out there. I had one too. Its still the fastest vehicle that I ever put my butt into. I've owned 5 Corvettes and more Mustangs and other sports cars than I can count. That truck (with an H&S tuner) not only ran reeeaaallly good, but it sounded mean too. It never gave me a single problem, and was reliable. It was funny in a way. I had an F350 XL. It was bare basic and had the standard vinyl seats and floors, manual windows. The only thing that had power on that truck was the mighty 6.4! It was a 4 ton missile with a blue oval on the front. I sold it 3 years ago and its the guy who bought it has had good luck with it too.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 05:29 AM
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That's a really good point Bikerman5345, and people probably don't want to read the good stories like these about the 6.4. I guess that's why the evening news is always bad news. Its refreshing to hear about the good 6.4's out there. I had one too. Its still the fastest vehicle that I ever put my butt into. I've owned 5 Corvettes and more Mustangs and other sports cars than I can count. That truck (with an H&S tuner) not only ran reeeaaallly good, but it sounded mean too. It never gave me a single problem, and was reliable. It was funny in a way. I had an F350 XL. It was bare basic and had the standard vinyl seats and floors, manual windows. The only thing that had power on that truck was the mighty 6.4! It was a 4 ton missile with a blue oval on the front. I sold it 3 years ago and its the guy who bought it has had good luck with it too.
My 6.4 was great once it was deleted and tuned so much power mine was a 6spd manual watching the boost gauge go to 30psi through every gear while towing 18,000lbs was music to my ears. My problem was the rest of the truck falling apart around the motor and trans
Also my 2004 6.0ltr was a great truck as well had an edge tuner on it and removed the egr I sold that truck to a friend he still has it now with 350,000kms never opened up that motor it's now his bush truck "he's a logger" there's no body left on it now
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 05:47 AM
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ive put almost 300k on two 5.9's 1999 & 2007 and one 12' 6.7 dodge. I put probably 150k on 7.3's between a 97 & 02 & 03'. I have put about 5500 on my 17' 6.7

My favorites are the dodge 6.7 and ford 6.7. I like the new ford trucks better, inside and out, and love the transmission. I liked the 12' dodge better than the 11-16 fords, of course it was tuned, including the trans.

So i personally like both, I have had no real trouble out of either brand, Its chevy that i have a problem with

In all the miles listed above, in the 2007 5.9 i got a load of bad fuel and eventually had to put injectors in the truck, had to put an hpop in the 02' 7.3, an icp sensor in the 97 7.3, and the 1999 5.9 i had to put a vp44 on at 220,000(p-pumped instead). Had to put two RR wheel seals in the 12' dodge over 104,000 Everything else was either routine maintenance on burned up clutches caused by me.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 05:49 AM
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To the OP, if you're concerned then look into extending your warranty coverage for better peace of mind.

These trucks are busily satisfying our wants and needs as we demand more and more from them with each new generation. There's s much more than can go wrong and in most cases, if anything fails, it's typically something simple.

I deal with this internet fear mongering all the time onthe F-150 side of FTE. The ecoboost has been out now in full production since 2011, over 1 million sold in the F-150 alone and as soon as ONE person has an issue, it's immediate hysteria throughout the F-150 community.

Fahgetaboutit and enjoy!
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bikerman5345
I had 160k On my 6.4 powerstroke when i traded it in on my new 17. Other than standard wear issues i didnt have any issues like some people talked about. I did routine maint. and did all the mods i wanted to it and it was a beast. I would routinely get on the forums and here nothing but horror stories about the 6.4 and it can make you feel as if you look at it wrong its blown. That is just not the case with these engines. I am an aircraft mech and i can promise you i have seen multi million doallar aircraft that are brand new have serious issues. If it is man made it will fail at some point. If 700 trucks out of the 100k sold have issuse and 20 of them get on here and fill the forum with problem stories that is all you will see. People come on here to find answers to problems if everything was perfect what would we talk about?

I agree. I have a 6.4 as well with over 120k on it. Only things i've done is change the oil, fuel filters, tranny fluid, tires and brake pads and rotors. The one issue i've had is brakes as they have not fully released on a few occasions that causes them the wear prematurely. It appears this was resolved a year a year or so back as i've had no issues since. As for the motor and rest of the truck it has been awesome with no issues. Very happy with it so far.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 07:45 AM
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You guys are making me regret trading in my 6.4 I miss that turbo sound and the boost was nasty on it. My new truck is stock due to warranty and I can only imagine how fun it will be opened up. Until then I guess I can enjoy the car like quiet ride in the 17.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 08:55 AM
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Maybe some here can chime in with their opinion. It seems to me that the powerstroke is really a hit or miss. Now i know that more people get on the internet to complain vs the thousands of people driving problem free out there. However, i just dont see as many engine failures and other issues with the cummins.

I am almost having buyers remorse, hoping that the new truck will be as realiable as my cummins. I have never had a powerstroke, because in my opinion theyve never made a diesel motor worth having...that is until the 6.7 came out. Several of my friends have the 6.7 PSD with zero problems, and i have really grown to love this motor.

I would have gotten another cummins, but ive driven all the body styles so they seem a bit dated to me.

Anyone here gone from the cummins to PSD and not looked back?

FYI- You may already know this but International built the 7.3, 6.0, 6.4. Ford built the 6.7 in-house. So you really can't compare previous generation engines to the current one. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bikerman5345
You guys are making me regret trading in my 6.4 I miss that turbo sound and the boost was nasty on it. My new truck is stock due to warranty and I can only imagine how fun it will be opened up. Until then I guess I can enjoy the car like quiet ride in the 17.
Enjoy the 2017. There are so many previous 6.4 owners out there that wish they never were. I'm glad you didn't suffer.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Super-Truck
Maybe some here can chime in with their opinion. It seems to me that the powerstroke is really a hit or miss. Now i know that more people get on the internet to complain vs the thousands of people driving problem free out there. However, i just dont see as many engine failures and other issues with the cummins.

I am almost having buyers remorse, hoping that the new truck will be as realiable as my cummins. I have never had a powerstroke, because in my opinion theyve never made a diesel motor worth having...that is until the 6.7 came out. Several of my friends have the 6.7 PSD with zero problems, and i have really grown to love this motor.

I would have gotten another cummins, but ive driven all the body styles so they seem a bit dated to me.
Anyone here gone from the cummins to PSD and not looked back?


It is a very anecdotal way of assessing the degree of reliability. I will grant that the number of Cummins engines that have catastrophic failures documented either on message boards or You Tube video seems to be non-existent, however if you take away the issues related to 6.7L Power Stroke failure where the operator may have played some part in it(turbo failures, HPFP failure due to water or DEF in fuel, etc) it really comes down to the exhaust valve issues on the early 2011's which seemed to me a process problem rather than design(valve heat treatment) which may very well have been someone at Ford squeezing the supplier for cheaper parts. I suspect the oil pump/front engine cover issue to fall into the same category. Cummins has a great reputation and a very good relationship with Ram, unlike International/Ford. Cummins seems unwilling to compromise the quality of their engine for price.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by dsladdict
Cummins has a great reputation and a very good relationship with Ram, unlike International/Ford.
FCA and Cummins are currently suing each other over emissions issues with the 6.7L engine. I don't think the relationship is very friendly at this point and there is quite a bit of speculation that FCA might develop / is developing their own diesel engine to replace the Cummins.

Fiat Chrysler, Cummins spar over costs of diesel emission recall | Reuters
 
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Old Feb 2, 2017 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by troverman
FCA and Cummins are currently suing each other over emissions issues with the 6.7L engine. I don't think the relationship is very friendly at this point and there is quite a bit of speculation that FCA might develop / is developing their own diesel engine to replace the Cummins.

Fiat Chrysler, Cummins spar over costs of diesel emission recall | Reuters
I thought I had heard something like that, thanks for the link. I will also add that if that engine seemed prone to any fault it was most likely due to emissions system operation integration and strategy.
 
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