F250 Payload Sticker Request
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Thanks for the help so far folks! I was hoping to pick up 3-400 lbs, which sounds like that may be right where I would be, or maybe just a hair under.
Now, is that enough or do I just spring the extra $1k for the 350. I know the truck is not the limiting factor, but the 10k rating is, which is why I'm thinking just get the 250 and be done with it. Decisions, decisions!
Now, is that enough or do I just spring the extra $1k for the 350. I know the truck is not the limiting factor, but the 10k rating is, which is why I'm thinking just get the 250 and be done with it. Decisions, decisions!
Also, I just ordered airbags for my F250. With a half-loaded, moderately heavy 5ver, I still had a 1" rake; but I suspect with family/grub/gear/genset I would be heading over to negative rake territory.
Note, I don't believe this is *all* door sticker. My 6.7L takes up much of my GVWR payload yet has to be mostly on the FRONT axle -- i.e. has little or nothing to do with how much a heavy load squats it. (If anything I'm thinking the heavy front end would act as a ballast and the truck as lever making it squat less... but that's just a guess on my part.)
Yet, I've found evidence that the leaf springs on the F250 -- are in fact -- weaker in thickness/capacity...and most notably overload spring missing -- and I'm fairly certain an F350 would not have squatted as much.
The above two paragraphs to say that I think a bare bones F250 would squat just as much as a much heavier F250 (with an empty bed) because let's face it... no matter how you option your truck MOST of the weight is going to end up on the front axle.
Would the F350 with it's *980#* beefier leaf springs and overload squat as much? My guess is no. However, and that said, LOTS of people put airbags on their F350's -- a fact that has been puzzling me for weeks now. (Note below the 980# difference any way you slice it (DRWs ratings not in this discussion.))
So in summary, if it were me, I'd finance the extra $1,000 and buy F350 knowing I *might* need to add another $350 cash for airbags instead of the F250, in which case I would say you *will* add the $350 cash for airbags (and I would rationalize it that the F350 will sell better/faster) -- and the fact that while pretty much everyone agrees that once you address the suspension it's the same truck -- all else being equal I'd prefer to say "I'm within my numbers" if I didn't already stick myself with the F250 and it's lower door sticker.
Disclaimer, I'm no expert...this is just my opinion from reading, interacting with members here, and my one experience loading down my F250.
(edit... had 2016 up, changed to 2017)
Photo below confirms I have three leaves.
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Check mine above, it is 3200 lbs 6.2l xlt with value pkg. You can look up the vin if you want to know other equipment on it.
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If I had it to do over again, I'd get the F350. I'm no expert on resale value; but I suspect it would be higher for the higher sticker, all else being equal -- and easier to sell to anyone who wants to haul/tow heavy.
Also, I just ordered airbags for my F250. With a half-loaded, moderately heavy 5ver, I still had a 1" rake; but I suspect with family/grub/gear/genset I would be heading over to negative rake territory.
Note, I don't believe this is *all* door sticker. My 6.7L takes up much of my GVWR payload yet has to be mostly on the FRONT axle -- i.e. has little or nothing to do with how much a heavy load squats it. (If anything I'm thinking the heavy front end would act as a ballast and the truck as lever making it squat less... but that's just a guess on my part.)
Yet, I've found evidence that the leaf springs on the F250 -- are in fact -- weaker in thickness/capacity...and most notably overload spring missing -- and I'm fairly certain an F350 would not have squatted as much.
The above two paragraphs to say that I think a bare bones F250 would squat just as much as a much heavier F250 (with an empty bed) because let's face it... no matter how you option your truck MOST of the weight is going to end up on the front axle.
Would the F350 with it's *slightly* beefier leaf springs and overload squat as much? My guess is no. However, and that said, LOTS of people put airbags on their F350's -- a fact that has been puzzling me for weeks now. (Note below the 900# difference any way you slice it (DRW's 9000# rating not in this discussion.))
So in summary, if it were me, I'd finance the extra $1,000 and buy F350 knowing I *might* need to add another $350 cash for airbags instead of the F250, in which case I would say you *will* add the $350 cash for airbags (and I would rationalize it that the F350 will sell better/faster) -- and the fact that while pretty much everyone agrees that once you address the suspension it's the same truck -- all else being equal I'd prefer to say "I'm within my numbers" if I didn't already stick myself with the F250 and it's lower door sticker.
Disclaimer, I'm no expert...this is just my opinion from reading, interacting with members here, and my one experience loading down my F250.
And while the chart (which confuses me) makes be believe I have 4 leaves, in fact I only have 3... (I guess I fall under footnote 8)
Also, I just ordered airbags for my F250. With a half-loaded, moderately heavy 5ver, I still had a 1" rake; but I suspect with family/grub/gear/genset I would be heading over to negative rake territory.
Note, I don't believe this is *all* door sticker. My 6.7L takes up much of my GVWR payload yet has to be mostly on the FRONT axle -- i.e. has little or nothing to do with how much a heavy load squats it. (If anything I'm thinking the heavy front end would act as a ballast and the truck as lever making it squat less... but that's just a guess on my part.)
Yet, I've found evidence that the leaf springs on the F250 -- are in fact -- weaker in thickness/capacity...and most notably overload spring missing -- and I'm fairly certain an F350 would not have squatted as much.
The above two paragraphs to say that I think a bare bones F250 would squat just as much as a much heavier F250 (with an empty bed) because let's face it... no matter how you option your truck MOST of the weight is going to end up on the front axle.
Would the F350 with it's *slightly* beefier leaf springs and overload squat as much? My guess is no. However, and that said, LOTS of people put airbags on their F350's -- a fact that has been puzzling me for weeks now. (Note below the 900# difference any way you slice it (DRW's 9000# rating not in this discussion.))
So in summary, if it were me, I'd finance the extra $1,000 and buy F350 knowing I *might* need to add another $350 cash for airbags instead of the F250, in which case I would say you *will* add the $350 cash for airbags (and I would rationalize it that the F350 will sell better/faster) -- and the fact that while pretty much everyone agrees that once you address the suspension it's the same truck -- all else being equal I'd prefer to say "I'm within my numbers" if I didn't already stick myself with the F250 and it's lower door sticker.
Disclaimer, I'm no expert...this is just my opinion from reading, interacting with members here, and my one experience loading down my F250.
And while the chart (which confuses me) makes be believe I have 4 leaves, in fact I only have 3... (I guess I fall under footnote 8)
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
I wonder though, is that chart for the 2016 model trucks? The reason I say that is because the 'combined rating' numbers are low, and the wheelbase numbers listed are incorrect for the '17. Given all the inaccuracies in this data from the start, it wouldn't surprise me if the '16 numbers slipped in.
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It won't change the truck's GVWR, but you can get the overload spring by adding the camper package to the 250. Also get the rear stabilizer bar and the package is less than $200.
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Thank you for the thoughtful response.
I wonder though, is that chart for the 2016 model trucks? The reason I say that is because the 'combined rating' numbers are low, and the wheelbase numbers listed are incorrect for the '17. Given all the inaccuracies in this data from the start, it wouldn't surprise me if the '16 numbers slipped in.
I wonder though, is that chart for the 2016 model trucks? The reason I say that is because the 'combined rating' numbers are low, and the wheelbase numbers listed are incorrect for the '17. Given all the inaccuracies in this data from the start, it wouldn't surprise me if the '16 numbers slipped in.
thanks!
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So sorry. My fault. I had a screenshot of 2016 when I was comparing the trucks and posted the wrong one. You're absolutely right. I will paste the 2017 here and correct the original post. I believe my thinking is preserved...but the numbers are different for sure.
thanks!
thanks!
That looks better. The way I read it, your should have 3 leaves because you don't have the camper or heavy service packages. So, maybe I get the camper package to get the extra leaf. But, then again, that drops the price difference to an F350, so may as well just jump on up.
FWIW, my '08 has quite a bit of squat under the load of our fiver, and I would say I have a slightly negative rake when hooked up. But, it doesn't have much if any rake when empty, so I would expect near level or even a bit of rake when hooked up to a 2017.
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Exactly. And that's the easiest fix of all.
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When you lower the tire pressure, you lower it's weight carrying ability.
I have 18 inch wheels and 10 ply Michelin tires that max inflate at 80lbs.
When Ford dictates 65lbs in a tire that can inflate to 80, it's BS.
Ford limits my truck by doing this, making it seem less able to carry more.
In reality my payload should be the same as an f-350 with the same options and configuration.
I have 18 inch wheels and 10 ply Michelin tires that max inflate at 80lbs.
When Ford dictates 65lbs in a tire that can inflate to 80, it's BS.
Ford limits my truck by doing this, making it seem less able to carry more.
In reality my payload should be the same as an f-350 with the same options and configuration.
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When you lower the tire pressure, you lower it's weight carrying ability.
I have 18 inch wheels and 10 ply Michelin tires that max inflate at 80lbs.
When Ford dictates 65lbs in a tire that can inflate to 80, it's BS.
Ford limits my truck by doing this, making it seem less able to carry more.
In reality my payload should be the same as an f-350 with the same options and configuration.
I have 18 inch wheels and 10 ply Michelin tires that max inflate at 80lbs.
When Ford dictates 65lbs in a tire that can inflate to 80, it's BS.
Ford limits my truck by doing this, making it seem less able to carry more.
In reality my payload should be the same as an f-350 with the same options and configuration.
It is a BS rating but it is also part of the GVWR of 10k. If they inflated the tires more than it would still be at the cap of 10k. I do wish they would adjust the GAWR to say what it would be at max inflate as it is rated at 65lbs in a tire too and that is its limiting factor.
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Well not quite the same but closer. The 350 springs are still stronger/more and you can't option the 250 to have those same springs from Ford. You can get close with the overload springs but still different thicknesses/spring rates between the 250/350 springs.
It is a BS rating but it is also part of the GVWR of 10k. If they inflated the tires more than it would still be at the cap of 10k. I do wish they would adjust the GAWR to say what it would be at max inflate as it is rated at 65lbs in a tire too and that is its limiting factor.
It is a BS rating but it is also part of the GVWR of 10k. If they inflated the tires more than it would still be at the cap of 10k. I do wish they would adjust the GAWR to say what it would be at max inflate as it is rated at 65lbs in a tire too and that is its limiting factor.
In any event you can certainly make the rear suspension much stronger than an F350 with airbags, additional and/or completely new leaf springs.
BTW the front springs are also slightly weaker on the F250 vs F350 as well. Also easily fixed.
For me, the bottom line is if you bought an F250 and want to tow/haul heavy... you made a MISTAKE. However, it's a mistake that's easily fixed and I refuse to listen to people who say it's illegal or immoral to fix the mistake and then use the truck like I want.
But for OP... don't put yourself through any of this... if you want lots of payload... go F350+.
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11-16 yes they are the same..but that is not the case anymore with the 17's, hence why I answered the way I did.
Look at the chart posted above, the f350 will always, unless you get a f350 with 17" wheels which why would you....., have a stronger spring setup. The amount of leafs, the strength of leafs, all more.
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edit* forgot that the 350 main pack also has an additional spring.