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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 01:40 PM
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I believe it is Borg-Warner. NVG is out of business and Ford had simply been building licensed copies up through 2016.

For 2018, ESOF is standard on all trucks and you can opt for a no-cost manual floor shifter. But likely the manual lever is in the process of being phased out. I prefer the manual lever but dislike having to get out to lock the hubs.

If you do get the manual shifter with a locking rear axle, the normal ESOF **** will simply have two positions for lock and unlock, same as the old style trucks:
That's good to know I always wondered how dodge and ford where still putting in NV cases when they where out of business. If you have manual hubs you don't have to get out and lock them, just lock them before you leave if you are going to need 4x4.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 01:43 PM
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Right above the trailer brake controller.
Dang!!! Now that's a work truck.........
 
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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Buliwyf
Yeah I know. Google "transfer case explosion" it's literally a wall of dodge threads and one abused jeep.

This guy loves Dodges so much he stopped in the middle of a freeway to kick around dodge parts. LOLz these guys are nuttier than Ashland Ohio dodge owners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJh4X9za5yA
nice try bud. 95% of the wall of threads is regarding the older trucks with non-cad, where the t-case spins 24/7. and im not even sure I can put any blame on the t-case. most people do zero maintenance what so ever, so when the tcase oil is gone or the cardan joints are vibrating so bad, its only a matter of time before something explodes.

anyone with a ounce of common sense has already looked through the 300 pages of this site and realized these new '17+ super duties have every bit as much problems as the other trucks on the market. you may choose to ignore that fact but its real and well documented on this site
 
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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 02:13 PM
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Guess I'm one of the lucky ones? Zero issues so far and I haul loads in it often.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 02:34 PM
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Both of mine have been flawless. '15, '17. My 2008 was used, so I can't really use it as a fair example.

When I get stuck in a dodge at work for a while, I'm usually a little miff'd about it. Unless the '19 GM's are waaaay better than our current models, I'll quit if i get one. Shoveling ain't exactly good for the productivity #'s.
 
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Old Mar 23, 2018 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rfbrain
Dang!!! Now that's a work truck.........
You beat me to it!
 
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Old Mar 24, 2018 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by willynilly
ram 2500 and 3500 is borgwarner 44-46 electric and 44-47 manual. fords appear to be a similar version
The BW units are clunky *****'s. Very sloppy.

Originally Posted by Buliwyf
Can't be the same as the dodge xfer case. We haven't blown one up yet. The dodges are dropping like flys. LOlz.
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I've been on Cummins Forum since 2009. I haven't heard of any failures.

Like flys huh?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 00t444e
That's good to know I always wondered how dodge and ford where still putting in NV cases when they where out of business. If you have manual hubs you don't have to get out and lock them, just lock them before you leave if you are going to need 4x4.
Hold up here that planing ahead and not blindly runing in to a situation. This is the new age we dont have time for that forward thinking, now weres my auto truck to drive me around and it better come with a coffe maker.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 01:12 PM
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Hold up here that planing ahead and not blindly runing in to a situation. This is the new age we dont have time for that forward thinking, now weres my auto truck to drive me around and it better come with a coffe maker.
While I generally agree, there's nothing wrong with auto hubs. Sure, you can lock your hubs in ahead of time but the whole time you're driving around hubs locked in 2WD you are using more fuel and adding more wear and tear to your axle joints. So auto locking hubs is a convenience but it is also a practical one.

I've had trucks with both, and I hate having to lock the hubs manually.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:19 PM
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In my experience having the hubs locked makes no difference in fuel mileage, maybe 0.1 mpg at most. As for the wear and tear Jeeps and Dodges have full time hubs and the u joints don't wear out any quicker than on the Fords.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by troverman
While I generally agree, there's nothing wrong with auto hubs. Sure, you can lock your hubs in ahead of time but the whole time you're driving around hubs locked in 2WD you are using more fuel and adding more wear and tear to your axle joints. So auto locking hubs is a convenience but it is also a practical one.

I've had trucks with both, and I hate having to lock the hubs manually.
While auto hubs may offer a convenience factor, they come with their own set of negatives that manual hubs don't have. Seals in the hub, vacuum lines, electronics/solenoid, etc...all failure points that WILL need to be addressed. Maybe not in the time you might own the truck, but the second/third owner...or the guy who buys a new truck and keeps it forever. If the convenience factor is worth the future maintenance/repairs...then by all means, go for the auto hubs. For some of us, it is not. Also, even with auto hubs, it is a good idea to lock your hubs in once a month to exercise the hubs and U-joints.
And thanks to my dealer's screw-up, I have the Warn manual hubs in my Amazon shopping cart waiting for a price drop notification from CamelCamelCamel....
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:24 PM
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In my experience having the hubs locked makes no difference in fuel mileage, maybe 0.1 mpg at most. As for the wear and tear Jeeps and Dodges have full time hubs and the u joints don't wear out any quicker than on the Fords.
Agreed. In fact, I find that in the harsh cold up here, you can chew up hubs if you don't keep them manually locked when it's very cold. I run mine manually locked all winter up here.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:33 PM
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In my experience having the hubs locked makes no difference in fuel mileage, maybe 0.1 mpg at most. As for the wear and tear Jeeps and Dodges have full time hubs and the u joints don't wear out any quicker than on the Fords.
They do. The needle bearings in the front U-joints on my '07 Dodge Ram were turned to dust with just 80k miles on the truck. As you said, they are turning 100% of the time, and this increases wear over one that only turns when 4WD is engaged.
Also, most Dodge guys report around 1mpg gain when they install a free-spin kit (manual hub conversion that also ditches unit bearings). Steering is much lighter as well. I did the conversion on mine


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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 02:41 PM
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I found the difference in my Ford with manual locking hubs to be about 1mpg locked vs unlocked. Late model RAM are using a center axle disconnect again, but the axle joints are still turning. Clearly the use of the CAD is to try to improve fuel economy. If it didn't help, why bother?
 
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Old Feb 7, 2019 | 03:11 PM
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They do. The needle bearings in the front U-joints on my '07 Dodge Ram were turned to dust with just 80k miles on the truck. As you said, they are turning 100% of the time, and this increases wear over one that only turns when 4WD is engaged.
Also, most Dodge guys report around 1mpg gain when they install a free-spin kit (manual hub conversion that also ditches unit bearings). Steering is much lighter as well. I did the conversion on mine

That's not uncommon for the U joints with 80K to do that, especially if you live in the rust belt or go through deep water often, it doesn't matter if you have locking hubs or not. In fact if you leave your hubs unlocked and don't use 4x4 often it can cause your u-joints to seize up. I hand calculate my fuel mileage on every fill up its never made a differnce.
 
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