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Old Jun 17, 2016 | 10:54 PM
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Question Engine decision

So I have a 1979 F100 4x4 with a 351M currently in. I want to hear you guy's opinions about if I should keep this engine, and what do you guys think will be the best. I intend the truck to be an offroad/mudding truck. I'm wanting 450+ HP out of the truck. Wanting to run 38" (or bigger) tires with 5.38 gears.


So should I keep the 351, or swap? If so, to what?
 
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Old Jun 17, 2016 | 10:58 PM
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450 HP? Build a 460.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2016 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HIO Silver
450 HP? Build a 460.
Estimate on price of that?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 12:08 AM
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There are a couple of places that have 400's that are beefed up. Would let you keep your existing peripherals - depends on what you want to spend.

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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Nerdy
Estimate on price of that?
At 400 hp with me building it, off the shelf parts, and minor port work about $2300. .. at 450HP and 425 ft lbs tq, it'll need aluminum heads so let's peg that at $3500.

Tq is what wins.. not HP on a big heavy truck.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by kegger66
There are a couple of places that have 400's that are beefed up. Would let you keep your existing peripherals - depends on what you want to spend.

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The peripherals are subject to major change in the future. Therein lies my problem.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 12:53 AM
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I forgot to mention, this truck will be an almost daily driver.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by HIO Silver
At 400 hp with me building it, off the shelf parts, and minor port work about $2300. .. at 450HP and 425 ft lbs tq, it'll need aluminum heads so let's peg that at $3500.

Tq is what wins.. not HP on a big heavy truck.
How long would that take to build? Sorry for all of the questions. I'm new to basically everything.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 03:25 AM
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Before you do that I would get stronger axles. I can't believe how many people put big motors with big tires and expect to have that little ford 9 inch survive. Just a thought. As far as motor I would go the 460 route.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Nerdy
How long would that take to build? Sorry for all of the questions. I'm new to basically everything.
New to everything eh? Then we need to start in the beginning... put your engine dreams aside for a moment and instead invest time in building your know-how.

DIYFord.com has really good articles on engines. I suggest learning all you can before excising that 351M. Start with the last article on this page and work your way to page 1: Ford Engine Big-Block Rebuild Archives - Page 2 of 2 - DIY Ford

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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 10:47 AM
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everyone above has given good advice.
As an owner of a 460, and using it as a daily driver off and on occasionally.
Your wallet will not like it unless you don't mind 8 mpg. Even though gas is much cheaper than a a year plus ago, it's still a thirsty pig. Maybe you might get 10 but most likely not with a hotrod engine.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 11:12 AM
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Thank you to everyone who has contributed.

Thing is, I want this to get at least fair mileage, because this will be driven, a LOT.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nerdy
Thank you to everyone who has contributed.

Thing is, I want this to get at least fair mileage, because this will be driven, a LOT.
I'm not sure what your idea of fair mileage is, but personally I wouldn't consider a 460 gas friendly ever.
If you are looking for good mileage a 300 would be better.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2016 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dustyroad
I'm not sure what your idea of fair mileage is, but personally I wouldn't consider a 460 gas friendly ever.
If you are looking for good mileage a 300 would be better.
What's the HP/Tq like on the 300?
 
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A 400 at the HP/TQ you're looking for won't be above 8 MPG either.
 
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