Notices
6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 2003 - 2007 F250, F350 pickup and F350+ Cab Chassis, 2003 - 2005 Excursion and 2003 - 2009 van

Will not start at all. Help please

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 04:32 PM
  #1  
InfantryWife's Avatar
InfantryWife
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Will not start at all. Help please

Here's the story.
My husband and I purchased a 2004 f250 king ranch 6.0L
We love the truck, despite the headaches. We took it to a dealership and spent just under $5k in parts, drove it for a month (everything going great) until we shut it off to bs w a friend and it won't turn back on. It's been sitting for 4 days and nothing. Cranks and cranks, but won't actually start. We are pretty handy with gas trucks, but this diesel is out of our element- we are getting better though haha!

We looked on here and saw that the no start could be bc of the FICM - swapped it out- not the issue.
Now the codes being thrown are P2291 & P2285 (or so my husband says)
We are thinking if we replace the ICP and that fixes it, we won't need to do the HPOP. Or do we need to do it as well? Are we on the right track? Please help.
When we shut it off, it didn't have any lights on, no gauge fluctuations, or any "red flags". This is why we are stumped!!

(Ford dealership fixes:
2 batteries, new starter, new tank cap, new oil cooler, maybe a few others- reciepts not infront of me while I wrestle my lil one)

Like I mentioned, we've already dropped more money than we have into this truck and now it's taking more- we love the truck and once it's fixed we will "have a new truck" it just sucks bc my husband works afternoons and I'm a stay at home mom with a 14mo and this is our only vehicle
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 04:44 PM
  #2  
mustang_309's Avatar
mustang_309
Logistics Pro
20 Year Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,138
Likes: 7
From: South Weber, Utah
Originally Posted by InfantryWife
Here's the story.
My husband and I purchased a 2004 f250 king ranch 6.0L
We love the truck, despite the headaches. We took it to a dealership and spent just under $5k in parts, drove it for a month (everything going great) until we shut it off to bs w a friend and it won't turn back on. It's been sitting for 4 days and nothing. Cranks and cranks, but won't actually start. We are pretty handy with gas trucks, but this diesel is out of our element- we are getting better though haha!

We looked on here and saw that the no start could be bc of the FICM - swapped it out- not the issue.
Now the codes being thrown are P2291 & P2285 (or so my husband says)
We are thinking if we replace the ICP and that fixes it, we won't need to do the HPOP. Or do we need to do it as well? Are we on the right track? Please help.
When it died, it didn't have any lights on, no gauge fluctuations, or any "red flags". This is why we are stumped!!

(Ford dealership fixes:
2 batteries, new starter, new tank cap, new oil cooler, maybe a few others- reciepts not infront of me while I wrestle my lil one)

Like I mentioned, we've already dropped more money than we have into this truck and now it's taking more- we love the truck and once it's fixed we will "have a new truck" it just sucks bc my husband works afternoons and I'm a stay at home mom with a 14mo and this is our only vehicle
You are going to need gauges that read live data to diagnose this like scan gauge II, edge insight CTS ( my personal favorite ) or one of the smartphone apps like dashboss for ios devices or torque pro for android.
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 04:51 PM
  #3  
Jmoen7's Avatar
Jmoen7
Laughing Gas
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 794
Likes: 1
From: Ontario
Try unplugging the ICP so the computer reads default.

Was it turned off and no restart, or did it die and no restart? You said two different things..
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 05:57 PM
  #4  
InfantryWife's Avatar
InfantryWife
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
I had my husband disconnect the icp and try and start. (Read that on here somewhere) still wouldn't start.

We turned the truck off, chatted for 10-20mins with a friend, tried starting her back up, nothing-cranks and cranks but won't actually start.

So get guages to read live data although it won't start?
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 06:06 PM
  #5  
Mike189677's Avatar
Mike189677
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,841
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by InfantryWife
So get guages to read live data although it won't start?
Either that or take it somewhere and have them diag it you can't just throw parts at it and hope you get lucky sounds like you already bought a ficm you didn't need. Spending money on something to read live data will actually save you money.
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 06:21 PM
  #6  
InfantryWife's Avatar
InfantryWife
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
The only reason we did the FICM is because what we read on here in previous posts by others is exactly what we are/were going through. But being that it's not that and that's one of the top failing parts on this particular truck (we will keep it on hand- I'm sure we will need it eventually- no harm no foul lifetime warranty)
But thanks, got that much. Back to the issue at hand. Not the FICM, get a live diagnosis scanner and go from there. Thanks for your input guys. Better to get ideas then "throw more parts at it"
Not trying to be mean, I'm just frustrated.. My husband only has so much time to work on it and when he leaves I'm wrestling a small active child and trying myself.
It's a difficult game to play.
 

Last edited by InfantryWife; Jun 16, 2016 at 06:24 PM. Reason: Adding to it
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 06:53 PM
  #7  
Jmoen7's Avatar
Jmoen7
Laughing Gas
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 794
Likes: 1
From: Ontario
Originally Posted by InfantryWife
The only reason we did the FICM is because what we read on here in previous posts by others is exactly what we are/were going through. But being that it's not that and that's one of the top failing parts on this particular truck (we will keep it on hand- I'm sure we will need it eventually- no harm no foul lifetime warranty)
But thanks, got that much. Back to the issue at hand. Not the FICM, get a live diagnosis scanner and go from there. Thanks for your input guys. Better to get ideas then "throw more parts at it"
Not trying to be mean, I'm just frustrated.. My husband only has so much time to work on it and when he leaves I'm wrestling a small active child and trying myself.
It's a difficult game to play.
You are going to need to read live data while cranking yes. Since the FICM is new thats probably fine.

You will need Cam/Crank SYNC, FICM SYNC and hopefully over 600 PSI at the ICP and around 75 IPR (Not 100% on that).. Being an early build i'm sure everyone is thinking the same thing that reads your post. Possible HPOP
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 07:01 PM
  #8  
FiznUKa's Avatar
FiznUKa
Posting Guru
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 1,468
Likes: 5
From: Salt Lake City, utah
Have you checked your oil level
 
Reply
FTE Stories

Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts

story-0

Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

 Brett Foote
story-3

Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

 Joe Kucinski
story-4

AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

 Brett Foote
story-5

Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-6

Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

 Brett Foote
story-9

2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 07:17 PM
  #9  
InfantryWife's Avatar
InfantryWife
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by FiznUKa
Have you checked your oil level
Oil was changed less than 500 miles ago by dealer
But will check level in am
Thank you!!
 
Reply
Old Jun 16, 2016 | 09:26 PM
  #10  
m-chan68's Avatar
m-chan68
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,505
Likes: 256
From: Woodbridge, Ontario, CA
Club FTE Silver Member

As a Ford dealer tech since 2000, reading every post from top to bottom, and having wrenched on more than my share of these trucks with this engine, along with the exact symptoms you've described, my money is on a bad IPR valve as a very educated guess to be the culprit.
 
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2016 | 11:58 AM
  #11  
InfantryWife's Avatar
InfantryWife
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
M-chan, Will the live scan diagnosis machine give us that info?
 

Last edited by InfantryWife; Jun 17, 2016 at 11:59 AM. Reason: Add name
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2016 | 12:27 PM
  #12  
m-chan68's Avatar
m-chan68
Lead Driver
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,505
Likes: 256
From: Woodbridge, Ontario, CA
Club FTE Silver Member

Originally Posted by InfantryWife
M-chan, Will the live scan diagnosis machine give us that info?
The live scan data will tell you if you are building up sufficient ICP (Injector Control Pressure) for the vehicle to start. The way it works, is if your high pressure oil pump is pumping up the oil pressure up to greater than 500 psi, the engine WILL start (provided all the other parameters required are met). At KOEO (key-on/engine-off), your ICP psi should indicate 0 psi (or close to), your IPR (Injector Pressure Regulator) duty cycle should indicate 14.84 % (or close to) and your ICP volts should read between 0.15 to 0.35 volts (usually 0.24 volts on most of the trucks I've worked on).


As you crank the engine over, attempting to start the engine, your ICP psi should climb from 0psi to over 1200psi (minimum 500psi required) in about two seconds while your IPR duty cycle should climb to about 45 to 50% and ICP volts should climb to about 1.2 volts (minimum 0.8 required) before the engine fires up.


If you are below your ICP volts is below, or fails to climb to 0.8 and beyond, as well as your ICP psi fails to climb past 500psi and your IPR duty cycle is maxxing out at 84.77%, the engine will not start due to insufficient ICP (Injector Control Pressure).
 
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2016 | 01:05 PM
  #13  
InfantryWife's Avatar
InfantryWife
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 7
Likes: 0
Thank you thank you!!
I appreciate all your input, from everyone!
The details are exactly what I needed to hear!
Gonna do the scan in the next few days and will keep you updated!!!
Again thank you very much!
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Tenwheeler
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
0
May 22, 2019 09:03 PM
trevorrules
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
7
Aug 26, 2014 05:44 PM
JohnnyF350
6.0L Power Stroke Diesel
13
Jul 12, 2014 05:56 PM
slenherr
6.0L Power Stroke Diesel
15
Sep 12, 2007 08:58 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:38 AM.

story-0
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalytic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath

Slideshow: Called the Fortress, the 850-horsepower pickup combines Raptor underpinnings with military-inspired features, survival equipment, and a starting price of $285,000.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-30 18:33:59


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer

Slideshow: 10 most expensive Ford trucks ever sold on Bring a Trailer.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:24:34


VIEW MORE
story-2
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)

Here's everything that has changed for the latest model year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-27 16:17:28


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-4
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-9
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE