Diesel or Gas?
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Make sure not to run the pink ag diesel in your truck or I can guarantee there will be no warranty.
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For some reason, I still have a strong desire to own a 6.0L truck. They just sound and smell great (the 6.7's and 6.4's don't really have a smell; I like the diesel smell). The problem is that most of those trucks are beat to death at this point or heavily modified. I'd love to find a nice 2005 or 2006 clean 4x4 in perfectly stock form without rust, for a good price.
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Its possible the 6.2L is not suitable for your trailer. Get the diesel. RAM and GM are not impervious to these same issues - and chances are, they will deny your warranty claim just the same as Ford.
In fairness, if I pump a load of watery diesel into the tank, even though its not my fault, its not Ford's either. There was no defect in material or workmanship. But its hard to go after the fuel dealer.
It is also true not all fuel issues are warranty deny. But you can bet, with the costs involved, Ford will absolutely take fuel samples to try to detect water, and they will scan the computer to see any WIF events.
Running PM22 theoretically helps add lubrication to the fuel, which helps the pump. Draining the water separator monthly also helps catch small water problems early. Some people go so far as to put an additional water separator / fuel filter in-line.
Others simply pump in diesel and never drain anything and never add additives, and never have a problem.
I drove 200 miles straight last night with my 6.7L. For the first time in awhile, it performed a regen in the middle of the trip, on the highway. Normally it does it a mile from my house. Fuel economy (reset for the trip) was up to 21mpg. After the regen, it was down to 16.9. By the end of the trip, it had recovered to 19. Granted, all unloaded. I was very pleased.
The 6.2L will not get that kind of mileage. Maybe 15 on the same trip, unloaded. But I bet with 3k oil changes, that engine will last to 250k or more miles...at that point it will be time for a new truck.
I know many of us buy these trucks because we haul or pull heavy loads...but I actually love taking my truck for a cruise, without load or trailer, down the highway.
In fairness, if I pump a load of watery diesel into the tank, even though its not my fault, its not Ford's either. There was no defect in material or workmanship. But its hard to go after the fuel dealer.
It is also true not all fuel issues are warranty deny. But you can bet, with the costs involved, Ford will absolutely take fuel samples to try to detect water, and they will scan the computer to see any WIF events.
Running PM22 theoretically helps add lubrication to the fuel, which helps the pump. Draining the water separator monthly also helps catch small water problems early. Some people go so far as to put an additional water separator / fuel filter in-line.
Others simply pump in diesel and never drain anything and never add additives, and never have a problem.
I drove 200 miles straight last night with my 6.7L. For the first time in awhile, it performed a regen in the middle of the trip, on the highway. Normally it does it a mile from my house. Fuel economy (reset for the trip) was up to 21mpg. After the regen, it was down to 16.9. By the end of the trip, it had recovered to 19. Granted, all unloaded. I was very pleased.
The 6.2L will not get that kind of mileage. Maybe 15 on the same trip, unloaded. But I bet with 3k oil changes, that engine will last to 250k or more miles...at that point it will be time for a new truck.
I know many of us buy these trucks because we haul or pull heavy loads...but I actually love taking my truck for a cruise, without load or trailer, down the highway.
did a thorough inspection of the whole fuel system, and owned the fact that their pump failed! And ANYTHING mechanical CAN fail, regardless of brand, type of fuel, or whatever!
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From: Central MO
Well, sir, I mean no disrespect, but then who wrote post #31?? And what was the implication?
While I understand some people hesitation for going to a diesel (I was there for a long time myself) the diesels have come a long way since the advent of the 6.0 and its problems!
Have a great day!
While I understand some people hesitation for going to a diesel (I was there for a long time myself) the diesels have come a long way since the advent of the 6.0 and its problems!
Have a great day!
and says absolutely nothing about needing a rebuild and it costing only $1k. If you think the only issue to ever go wrong with an engine requires a rebuild, then I'm not sure what to say.
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From: NH
The gas engines don't really have a lot go wrong with them. The fuel pump (assuming Ford did not go DI on the 6.2L, which I believe they did not) is just electric and cheap. Injectors don't fail, and if they do, it is cheap.
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Have a great day! 😀
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And the same thing holds true for the diesels......not ALL repairs,etc. are going to be in the thousands! Now, as I have stated before. The 6.2L gasser is a great engine, and I would not hesitate to own another, but I do believe the 6.7's are getting some undeserved bad publicity frome the gas engine crowd. And I also think that you and I should not escalate this discussion into an argument! True, the diesels are not for everybody, as they are not intended to be!
Have a great day! ��
Have a great day! ��
I agree that not all diesel repairs are in the thousands. Do you agree that diesel has a higher potential for higher dollar repairs than the gasser? That's all I'm saying, and if you are one the fence choosing between gas and diesel, then that could sway your choice if you choose to keep your truck for a long time.
On another note, I currently own a 6.4L diesel. It tows like there's no tomorrow, but I absolutely hate the emissions crap, and the craptastic fuel economy. We are getting ready to take our first extended trip with our fiver (about 400 miles each way) and I'm interested to see how it does. Furthest we've taken it is about 200 ish miles. I expect to see 2 regens on the way there since it's ready to regen now (keeps starting right when I get home on from my little 5 mile round trips). I also expect to just sit back, set the cruise, and enjoy the ride. That's what I LOVE about my diesel.
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The 6.4's had their own set of problems, but the CP3 fuel pump is considered superior to the CP4 found in the Ford 6.7L and GM 6.6L trucks.
I love my diesel tractor. Its a 2013, but it still operates just like an old school diesel: it smokes sometimes, it has that diesel smell, and it is loud and clattery (IDI), plus it doesn't like to start in cold weather as well. But it just runs flawlessly for hours and hours on end, and is incredibly efficient on fuel. I think the fuel efficiency is what does it for me - I run on full or near full throttle for hours - until I have to go back and refuel - running a flail. I wish trucks were still as simple to work on.
I love my diesel tractor. Its a 2013, but it still operates just like an old school diesel: it smokes sometimes, it has that diesel smell, and it is loud and clattery (IDI), plus it doesn't like to start in cold weather as well. But it just runs flawlessly for hours and hours on end, and is incredibly efficient on fuel. I think the fuel efficiency is what does it for me - I run on full or near full throttle for hours - until I have to go back and refuel - running a flail. I wish trucks were still as simple to work on.
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The 6.4's had their own set of problems, but the CP3 fuel pump is considered superior to the CP4 found in the Ford 6.7L and GM 6.6L trucks.
I love my diesel tractor. Its a 2013, but it still operates just like an old school diesel: it smokes sometimes, it has that diesel smell, and it is loud and clattery (IDI), plus it doesn't like to start in cold weather as well. But it just runs flawlessly for hours and hours on end, and is incredibly efficient on fuel. I think the fuel efficiency is what does it for me - I run on full or near full throttle for hours - until I have to go back and refuel - running a flail. I wish trucks were still as simple to work on.
I love my diesel tractor. Its a 2013, but it still operates just like an old school diesel: it smokes sometimes, it has that diesel smell, and it is loud and clattery (IDI), plus it doesn't like to start in cold weather as well. But it just runs flawlessly for hours and hours on end, and is incredibly efficient on fuel. I think the fuel efficiency is what does it for me - I run on full or near full throttle for hours - until I have to go back and refuel - running a flail. I wish trucks were still as simple to work on.
I was recently looking at a Kubota 2650, staying away from the 3350 due to the fact that the 3350 has a DPF and the 2650 does not. There have been plenty of issues with the regens on the tractors, and the cost is about $3k more because of the DPF.
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Not arguing, just discussing.
I agree that not all diesel repairs are in the thousands. Do you agree that diesel has a higher potential for higher dollar repairs than the gasser? That's all I'm saying, and if you are one the fence choosing between gas and diesel, then that could sway your choice if you choose to keep your truck for a long time.
On another note, I currently own a 6.4L diesel. It tows like there's no tomorrow, but I absolutely hate the emissions crap, and the craptastic fuel economy. We are getting ready to take our first extended trip with our fiver (about 400 miles each way) and I'm interested to see how it does. Furthest we've taken it is about 200 ish miles. I expect to see 2 regens on the way there since it's ready to regen now (keeps starting right when I get home on from my little 5 mile round trips). I also expect to just sit back, set the cruise, and enjoy the ride. That's what I LOVE about my diesel.
I agree that not all diesel repairs are in the thousands. Do you agree that diesel has a higher potential for higher dollar repairs than the gasser? That's all I'm saying, and if you are one the fence choosing between gas and diesel, then that could sway your choice if you choose to keep your truck for a long time.
On another note, I currently own a 6.4L diesel. It tows like there's no tomorrow, but I absolutely hate the emissions crap, and the craptastic fuel economy. We are getting ready to take our first extended trip with our fiver (about 400 miles each way) and I'm interested to see how it does. Furthest we've taken it is about 200 ish miles. I expect to see 2 regens on the way there since it's ready to regen now (keeps starting right when I get home on from my little 5 mile round trips). I also expect to just sit back, set the cruise, and enjoy the ride. That's what I LOVE about my diesel.
And on the regen issue.....I had this added to my productivity screen yesterday
Not that the 6.7 DPF/SCR system has had the problems that the system on the 6.4 had! So far, my experience with the 6.7 has been to just drive it. If a regen starts when you are a mile from home, just shut it off, and it will pick up again when it is needed the next time one drives their truck.
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I know you said you have a Kubota...what model is it? I had an '03 BX2200 that I used for 10 years mowing, snow clearing, etc. until we bought more land and I needed a bigger tractor. Now I've got a '12 JD 2720, and like you, I just love the simplicity of it. Mine is direct injected and starts easily in the winter though. I do love the smoke it pours out when it gets under a bit of load taking out some tall brush with the brush hog!
I was recently looking at a Kubota 2650, staying away from the 3350 due to the fact that the 3350 has a DPF and the 2650 does not. There have been plenty of issues with the regens on the tractors, and the cost is about $3k more because of the DPF.
I was recently looking at a Kubota 2650, staying away from the 3350 due to the fact that the 3350 has a DPF and the 2650 does not. There have been plenty of issues with the regens on the tractors, and the cost is about $3k more because of the DPF.
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Not that the 6.7 DPF/SCR system has had the problems that the system on the 6.4 had! So far, my experience with the 6.7 has been to just drive it. If a regen starts when you are a mile from home, just shut it off, and it will pick up again when it is needed the next time one drives their truck.
My choice was between the B2920 and JD 2720 when I bought mine. They are both good machines, I just liked the layout of the JD for me better. Unlike with trucks, I'm not brand loyal when it comes to tractors.
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Speaking of tractors, I have a 2013 Deere 3320 that I bought in 13 because it did not have DPF system on it. I think it is like 33 engine hp. And yup, I bought in '13, because I knew that in '14 they were going to have a DPF system on them. It has the ehydro transmission, and I like the two forward and reverse pedals as opposed to the single rocker pedals on the Kubota. But they are both good tractors.
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Speaking of tractors, I have a 2013 Deere 3320 that I bought in 13 because it did not have DPF system on it. I think it is like 33 engine hp. And yup, I bought in '13, because I knew that in '14 they were going to have a DPF system on them. It has the ehydro transmission, and I like the two forward and reverse pedals as opposed to the single rocker pedals on the Kubota. But they are both good tractors.
I'm wanting to upgrade to a new small cab tractor in 4-5 years, and I'm hoping Deere comes out with a 2 series cab tractor with the eHydro. The 3 series is a bit large for my needs (and too expensive). Yanmar has a new CT 235, and since Yanmar builds the 2 series for JD, I'm expecting the new Yanmar to make it's way to JD as well. I just hope to continue to avoid the DPF as well.
