Diesel or Gas?
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Exactly. Plus a few less things to deal with. Although many people don't, you really should get under the truck once a month and drain the water separator. 98% of the time, there is no water. But Ford recommends it. You also should run the PM22 additive at every fillup, as insurance against fuel pump failure. I don't like having to worry about my warranty being voided because I have "too many" idling hours. I don't like to worry my DPF is filling up because I'm idling. I certainly don't like having to take the truck for a 20 mile run up the highway because the truck needs to regen. I don't like the prospect of having to have the DPF "cleaned" at 120k miles. I worry about denting the DPF tube while driving off road. If you are comfortable with all this, want the diesel, and can afford it...go for it. It certainly out-muscles the gas engine.
Axle ratio for axle ratio, the diesel will achieve better mpg than the gas engine. The reason for that is that diesel fuel contains more BTUs of energy than gasoline, and the higher torque output allows the diesel engine to run fewer RPMs, which means less fuel is injected. But spool the turbo on a diesel and watch your fuel economy drop. Regen cycles also cause a pretty severe drop, although they are limited to once every 500 miles or so.
Axle ratio for axle ratio, the diesel will achieve better mpg than the gas engine. The reason for that is that diesel fuel contains more BTUs of energy than gasoline, and the higher torque output allows the diesel engine to run fewer RPMs, which means less fuel is injected. But spool the turbo on a diesel and watch your fuel economy drop. Regen cycles also cause a pretty severe drop, although they are limited to once every 500 miles or so.
10 qts of oil vs about 6 every oil change.
Fuel filters every other oil change.
$10K repair bill if you get a bad tank of fuel!!
All diesel parts are usually almost double the cost of gas parts.
Yes, the mpg is better, but the cost of diesel fuel has been more than gas for the past what, almost 10 yrs now?? Factor in the initial $8k cost get the diesel and you need a lot of miles to break even on mpg!!
just my opinion, but unless you are towing heavy loads daily, I'd stick with the 6.2L.
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Ok guys you have convinced me. Being this is going to be my daily driver and 90% of driving is unloaded I will go with the 6.2 and the 4.30 rear end. I have never ordered a truck before. I always bought one on the lot. Anybody have any words of wisdom on fair pricing of a custom order?
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I've known the 6.2 to be a huge gas hog. But I can see how the $8K cost plus uncertainty of the diesel emissions can be a turn off. Of the 30 or so I maintained in the fleet none of them had problems, They all had 5-7K trailers behind them 24/7. They were also only driven 10-15K a year though.
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Ok guys you have convinced me. Being this is going to be my daily driver and 90% of driving is unloaded I will go with the 6.2 and the 4.30 rear end. I have never ordered a truck before. I always bought one on the lot. Anybody have any words of wisdom on fair pricing of a custom order?
My dealer sells me the ordered at truck at the invoice price plus $500. I have been going there so long I just accept that. I'm sure there are slightly better deals out there but I'm good with what I get. My dealer also gives me more on trade in than most too.
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Ok guys you have convinced me. Being this is going to be my daily driver and 90% of driving is unloaded I will go with the 6.2 and the 4.30 rear end. I have never ordered a truck before. I always bought one on the lot. Anybody have any words of wisdom on fair pricing of a custom order?
With regards to pricing, who knows what is really a good deal with the way everything seems to be a shell game between the factory, dealer and us as consumers. I would say do your research on the internet and go in armed with information and start from there.
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Having had both the 6.2 gasser, and the 6.7 diesel, I will say this, for short haul towing the 6.2 was definitely up to the task, no problem! But when I was pulling either my 41' Raptor, or my 38' enclosed gooseneck cross country; pulling with the 6.2 was like having a job! It ended up as work! When pulling with my 6.7, it becomes a Sunday drive! It was a very different outcome at the end of the day!
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I had a 2003 6.0 PSD, it was the first year and I could go on for 12 pages about what a lemon flavored turd that motor was. Right now I have 7.3 in a 1999 that I am obviously keeping. I hadn't heard about all the headaches with the 6.7 till I read these replies here in this thread. Is it really that problematic? I know plenty of folks with 6.7's and they sing nothing but high praises. And these are guys that absolutely beat on that motor and take it through the paces constantly.
Tell me they are just the lucky ones?
Tell me they are just the lucky ones?
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Here's what I had to get used to making the switch, the F250 doesn't feel like it pulls as hard as the F150, the F150 has a more car/SUV feel to it and the 6.2L likes to work at higher RPMs. After about 10 minutes of towing it all seemed normal.
If I was towing 9,000lbs I would probably want the 4:30s although the 373s should get the job done so it's would be a matter of price.
Around here there is a pretty good following for the 6.2L so when it comes time to sell, I should get a good price.
My local Ford dealer charges me the same price (basically $40) for the works on my F150 and F250.
If I was towing 9,000lbs I would probably want the 4:30s although the 373s should get the job done so it's would be a matter of price.
Around here there is a pretty good following for the 6.2L so when it comes time to sell, I should get a good price.
My local Ford dealer charges me the same price (basically $40) for the works on my F150 and F250.
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I had a 2003 6.0 PSD, it was the first year and I could go on for 12 pages about what a lemon flavored turd that motor was. Right now I have 7.3 in a 1999 that I am obviously keeping. I hadn't heard about all the headaches with the 6.7 till I read these replies here in this thread. Is it really that problematic? I know plenty of folks with 6.7's and they sing nothing but high praises. And these are guys that absolutely beat on that motor and take it through the paces constantly.
Tell me they are just the lucky ones?
Tell me they are just the lucky ones?
was on it early! Now I DID have some non-engine issues with my 2015, but they were fuel system related. Third time was a charm....I traded for a 2016, and, knock on wood, no issues so far! And there are a LOT of 6.7's on the road! The smooth, quiet power they make is just amazing! As I stated earlier, it makes a cross country trip pulling big like a Sunday drive! I have driven 18 wheelers that did not come close to having the gonads these trucks have!😀😀😀😀
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The 6.2 should be just fine for your occasional towing needs. I'm towing a bit heavier when I tow (about the same frequency as you), with a 2010 F250 with the 5.4 and 3.55 rear.. It does the job quite well - you just have to be willing to let the computer figure things out and put your foot on the floor when you want it to go. It won't blow up, but there is a lot of power up there in those higher rpms..
That said, for my 2017 I'll be ordering the 6.2 with the 4.30 rear... I only have the 3.55 currently as it was on the lot, and I was in need of a new truck ASAP.
As far as getting a good deal - you just need a good dealer. I've bought 3 new trucks from the same dealer now, and will be getting the new one from the same place. First one was a F150 custom ordered.. 300 over invoice.. 2nd was a F250 that I bought off the lot since I totaled my 150.. same deal - 300 over invoice again (and they could have charged anything.. I was driving a rental). 3rd was another 250 after the tranny blew at 60k.. same deal again..
I keep going back since they have a great service department that doesn't screw me when I do actually need their service, and a sales dept that treats me right as well... Chenango Sales in Greene, NY
That said, for my 2017 I'll be ordering the 6.2 with the 4.30 rear... I only have the 3.55 currently as it was on the lot, and I was in need of a new truck ASAP.
As far as getting a good deal - you just need a good dealer. I've bought 3 new trucks from the same dealer now, and will be getting the new one from the same place. First one was a F150 custom ordered.. 300 over invoice.. 2nd was a F250 that I bought off the lot since I totaled my 150.. same deal - 300 over invoice again (and they could have charged anything.. I was driving a rental). 3rd was another 250 after the tranny blew at 60k.. same deal again..
I keep going back since they have a great service department that doesn't screw me when I do actually need their service, and a sales dept that treats me right as well... Chenango Sales in Greene, NY
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I get why people are going back to a gasser - I am just as afraid of the fuel pump puking it's guts out into the engine as everyone else - but has everyone considered the resale value of the trucks with gas vs. diesel motors? I haven't really looked at it lately, but my 2001 7.3 was worth $7.5k more than a comparable truck with the V-8 when I sold it 12 years later. So, at least on a 2001, you get your initial investment back when you sell it and you get to enjoy the extra towing power for 12 years. Just curious what you think.
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I get why people are going back to a gasser - I am just as afraid of the fuel pump puking it's guts out into the engine as everyone else - but has everyone considered the resale value of the trucks with gas vs. diesel motors? I haven't really looked at it lately, but my 2001 7.3 was worth $7.5k more than a comparable truck with the V-8 when I sold it 12 years later. So, at least on a 2001, you get your initial investment back when you sell it and you get to enjoy the extra towing power for 12 years. Just curious what you think.
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The 6.2 should be just fine for your occasional towing needs. I'm towing a bit heavier when I tow (about the same frequency as you), with a 2010 F250 with the 5.4 and 3.55 rear.. It does the job quite well - you just have to be willing to let the computer figure things out and put your foot on the floor when you want it to go. It won't blow up, but there is a lot of power up there in those higher rpms..
That said, for my 2017 I'll be ordering the 6.2 with the 4.30 rear... I only have the 3.55 currently as it was on the lot, and I was in need of a new truck ASAP.
As far as getting a good deal - you just need a good dealer. I've bought 3 new trucks from the same dealer now, and will be getting the new one from the same place. First one was a F150 custom ordered.. 300 over invoice.. 2nd was a F250 that I bought off the lot since I totaled my 150.. same deal - 300 over invoice again (and they could have charged anything.. I was driving a rental). 3rd was another 250 after the tranny blew at 60k.. same deal again..
I keep going back since they have a great service department that doesn't screw me when I do actually need their service, and a sales dept that treats me right as well... Chenango Sales in Greene, NY
That said, for my 2017 I'll be ordering the 6.2 with the 4.30 rear... I only have the 3.55 currently as it was on the lot, and I was in need of a new truck ASAP.
As far as getting a good deal - you just need a good dealer. I've bought 3 new trucks from the same dealer now, and will be getting the new one from the same place. First one was a F150 custom ordered.. 300 over invoice.. 2nd was a F250 that I bought off the lot since I totaled my 150.. same deal - 300 over invoice again (and they could have charged anything.. I was driving a rental). 3rd was another 250 after the tranny blew at 60k.. same deal again..
I keep going back since they have a great service department that doesn't screw me when I do actually need their service, and a sales dept that treats me right as well... Chenango Sales in Greene, NY
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I get why people are going back to a gasser - I am just as afraid of the fuel pump puking it's guts out into the engine as everyone else - but has everyone considered the resale value of the trucks with gas vs. diesel motors? I haven't really looked at it lately, but my 2001 7.3 was worth $7.5k more than a comparable truck with the V-8 when I sold it 12 years later. So, at least on a 2001, you get your initial investment back when you sell it and you get to enjoy the extra towing power for 12 years. Just curious what you think.
I also think the 6.7L has a a very good reputation for reliability overall. The 2011 Job 1s did have problems, as has been mentioned. Supposedly, the twin-wheel turbos on all the 2011-2014 could be problematic. Then again, in 2015, those early-build revised (higher power) engines could have issues - like the jackhammer regens - but then they were OK. I'm buying one of the early 17's - I suspect there is a certain likelihood for engine issues with the uprated diesel.
The gas engine is pretty tried and true. I suspect it will be problem free, and if issues do arise, cheap to rectify.
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One negative about the gasser, if you tow bigger units........accessability to the gas pumps! I found a LOT of fuel stations had very limited room at the gasoline pumps, where their diesel islands will have room for the big rigs! Some places it was a big PITA!