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I just thought i'd share a blunder I made yesterday, my distributor wasnt going in and I discovered that the pump shaft was not in place so I pulled it out and upon re inserting it it fell down inside the oil pan so now I have to remove it, or do like a friend of mine did he just left it and put in a new shaft but I think thats a bit too risky for me.
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Pull the pan and do it right. Make sure that the spring clip is in the proper place to help retain your pump shaft in the engine. Put a small amount of anti-seize on the distributor end of the pump shaft also.
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does anyone know how to remove the oil pan with the engine in the car? its a 77ranchero with a 351m I took out all of the bolts but i cant slide the pan out. anyone know how to get it out or remove the object with out fully removing the pan?
and will it hurt my engine to jack it up using the pulley on the crankshaft? I jacked it up a little but I was afraid jacking it up further would bend the crank.
and will it hurt my engine to jack it up using the pulley on the crankshaft? I jacked it up a little but I was afraid jacking it up further would bend the crank.
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you should be able to get the pan off with the engine in, sometimes the old gaskets will hold the oil pan on pretty good so tapp on it with a rubber mallet or something and it should come right off...i wouldnt lift it by the crank pulley its prolly not worth the risk
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the gasket stayed in one piece on the block, where can I lift the engine then? all I have is a jack
did I damage my crank by lifting the engine with it? a friend told me he did it on a small 4 cylinder and i shouldnt worry about it.
did I damage my crank by lifting the engine with it? a friend told me he did it on a small 4 cylinder and i shouldnt worry about it.
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it probly didnt hurt the crank, i dont know if it would really damage anything or not, but i wouldnt risk it, even though it may not hurt it. the 4 cylinder isnt as heavy as a 351.
you have to lift the engine to get the oil pan out on those rancheros?(ive never worked on one)
you have to lift the engine to get the oil pan out on those rancheros?(ive never worked on one)
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A trick I used before I got a hoist was to put the jack under the oil pan (use a block of wood to keep from denting it), undo the motor mounts, lift the engine with the jack under the oil pan , then put a spacer of some kind between the motor and the mounts and Set the motor back down - Viola! Space, and you don't have to work around a jack in the way...
The motor mounts vary by year and motor so you will have to come up with a spacer that will work for you - be VERY carefull and make sure whatever you use won't pop out while you are working under there; that would be very very bad! On a 302 I used longer bolts with a shock spacer between the motor mounts and the block... got it up a couple of inches.
BTW, you shouldn't have to fully remove the pan from under there - if you can drop it just a couple of inches I bet you can fish the pump drive outa there with a magnetic retriever or something (if you don't already have one it's worth picking one up - handy little toys!). Just be carefull not to get any crud down in the pan or you will have to pull it all the way off anyway.
The motor mounts vary by year and motor so you will have to come up with a spacer that will work for you - be VERY carefull and make sure whatever you use won't pop out while you are working under there; that would be very very bad! On a 302 I used longer bolts with a shock spacer between the motor mounts and the block... got it up a couple of inches.
BTW, you shouldn't have to fully remove the pan from under there - if you can drop it just a couple of inches I bet you can fish the pump drive outa there with a magnetic retriever or something (if you don't already have one it's worth picking one up - handy little toys!). Just be carefull not to get any crud down in the pan or you will have to pull it all the way off anyway.
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From: Saraland AL
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I had a similar problem except mine was a sheared shaft.
Anyway, if the pan is a front sump, you probably can remove the front cover and get a telescopic magnet to retrieve the shaft.
When I reinstalled mine, I put superglue on the shaft where it goes into the distributor. It was easy to install after that.
Anyway, if the pan is a front sump, you probably can remove the front cover and get a telescopic magnet to retrieve the shaft.
When I reinstalled mine, I put superglue on the shaft where it goes into the distributor. It was easy to install after that.
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it's a retainer to keep from happening what happened to you... it slips on the shaft on the end that goes up toward the distributor; get it started then let the oil pump push it the final bit into position as you bolt it in, then push the shaft up another 1/8" or so so it doesn't rub - in the future it will keep the shaft from lifting out with the distributor so you don't have the same problem...
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never mind I found out what it does it just doesnt make alot of sense. why would you put the thing on, doesnt it just prevent you from intalling a new shaft without removing the pan?
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it's up to you... what is more likely to go bad, the shaft or the distributor? And if the shaft goes bad isn't it most likely to be something wrong with the pump? if so the pan is off anyway...