There comes a point in time when a medium duty becomes more practical than pushing an extreme amount of weight and towing capacity from what is still a basic pickup truck. "My trucks better than yours" philosophy excluded is good for some "I get the job done with room to spare" is actually a safer way to live.

 

Agreed. I'm not planning to tow a huge trailer - at least I don't think it is huge. Around 12,000 lbs GVWR for a bumper pull toy hauler. I want that "room to spare" in my tow vehicle so I don't kill the tow vehicle and so it isn't always a white knuckle drive.

 

Why on earth would you NEED to mod (for more power) a vehicle that comes with 440 HP and 860 ft-lbs of torque? That has nothing to do with NEED, but WANT for over the top power numbers.

 

Don't worry about the transmissions. They were built to handle more than what is going through them now.

 

Hey ford.......how about a better warranty. If these trucks are so reliable smack a 6yr/150k on it. Amd do something about the water in fuel problems. Who has 9-10k laying around to fix that type of issue.

 

Great question,I agree with Rzr,why not offer a 100k powertrain warranty like Gm and Ram? I hope someone from Ford can explain why they don't.

 

I don't know about this...a warranty is simply a period of time that a company is willing to accept liability for margin of error in production of parts/materials. You can be sure that people have studied statistics that prove that if there is a bad part it will show itself within 50,000 miles or so.

If they grant a 100,000 mile warranty then it move into insurance, not warranty. Gm and ram play this game with lengthy warranties which are actually insurance policies simply because they can lose money, run at a loss and take more money from banks and governments.

I think ford is being responsible, holding the line and managing their business. They offer extended warranties and they manage to operate without taxing our hidden economy, you know, the one where government officials throw 60% of our taxes at.

 

Actually, the 6.7 does have a 5 year 100k warranty. The rest of the powertrain is 5/60.

As to taking money, Ford did too. From TALF instead of TARP, but got a government loan just the same.

 

Hey a man with facts , nice touch

 

I have never ordered a pick-up from the factory -always bought off dealer lots. Can anyone shine a light on what to expect if I decide to order a 2017 in the months before they arrive at dealers? From the process to payment, I'd like to hear more about this. I don't imagine there is any dealing on price, but I also can't fathom paying sticker.

Anyone ever order a truck before they hit the lots and mind sharing what they experienced?

 

I ordered my current truck (not a SD) through an auto broker. I went to the mfg web site, built the truck, printed out the results and sent it to the auto broker. A couple weeks later he called and said, "Come pick up your truck." He charges his cost plus $300 as I recall. Easiest vehicle purchase I ever did, zero runaround. I know I paid less than if I had tried to deal with a salesperson at the dealership.

I plan to do the same thing for a 2017 SD, but only after I can see one on the lot to verify a few things.

 

Dealer stock orders should start hitting lots in the first part of August if all goes as Ford plans. You technically can't order a truck when the order banks open. The first line of ordering is for dealer stock only. However, a dealer can order exactly what you want as a low priority stock order and sell it to you when it comes in. Mine offered to do this for me.

As to price, the easiest way to get a good deal on a hot redesigned model is to get an X-Plan pin. Sometimes you can get Ford employees on the forums to give them out. I have found it much easier to just join EAA.... Experimental Aircraft Association. As a Ford partner, their members can generate their own X-Plan pins. It's only $40 a year and is a VERY easy way to get your X-Plan pin without searching and begging. Supposedly, you have to be a member of the EAA for 60 days before you can generate a pin. However, the last time I bought a truck in 2012 I was able to generate my PIN immediately after joining. I'm not sure if this is still the case so if you plan to go this route, I'd join now to ensure you can generate one before your truck comes in.

X-Plan is .4% under invoice and limits the doc fees a dealer can charge to $100. Current rebates also apply but if you are ordering as soon as they are available, rebates likely won't be offered.

Here are all the details of the X-Plan: https://www.fordpartner.com/partnerw...tner_rules.htm

Here is the EAA: https://www.eaa.org/eaa

 

X-Plan is not under invoice. It is normally right at or just above invoice. I don't know the exact calculation, but something like .4% under PLUS $500. It is definitely a way to get a great no-haggle price.

 

Someday someone will honestly explain invoice pricing. It is said that other incentives control the actual price of the vehicles, not the invoice. Dealers deny this. It is said dealers can get discounts off the invoice price for sales volume, large orders and a host of other reasons. I have seen dealers (just a couple of weeks ago in fact) whip out an invoice and offer to sell the vehicle below that price. Some dealers advertise that all cars are below invoice. Well then. What does invoice actually mean? For sure if all cars are sold below invoice, assuming that is the price the dealer pays, how can they stay in business? And I know dealers, even the best of them, are not opening their doors just to give away vehicles.

 

X-Plan is .4 under invoice. I linked the page right from Ford just so there would be no confusion. There is an administrative fee, but even with it added in you're still at or just under invoice on a vehicle this expensive. If your buying a Festiva it would over invoice as the administrative fee would remain the same but the .4% under would be lot less.