Originally Posted by powerstroke72

I dislike political discussion and I detest politicians.

That said, I understand many folks' feelings regarding the auto bailouts. Let's leave those discussions for Club FTE though.

Now....where in the heck are the 2017 order guides???

I'm in a tough spot on this one too. I'd love to have a 2017 F-350 but I'm really leery of first year runs of anything anymore. My 2011 caused me a lot of grief and while I miss it, I don't miss the issues it had. It's a good time to buy a 2015 or 2016 and there are a lot of them out there I like. Decisions, decisions.....

Originally Posted by LSchicago2

It's too soon for the order guides. Order guides don't usually come until the order bank opens.

Originally Posted by powerstroke72

I've had order guides in hand over two weeks prior to opening of order banks in the past.

Originally Posted by j palmer cass

I'm seriously in the market for a new truck--I'll buy one before the new year, and Ford's coyness is tiresome. I prefer Ford but I'm no fanboy and when the time comes I'll buy GM if it's to my advantage. Given the current choice between a known Ford, an improved and quite capable GM and a Ford with mystery specs I'm in a bit of a quandary.

I also fear the new Ford will be taller than the old one and the damned things are already too tall.

Originally Posted by tseekins

Not so sure why this is such a mystery. The truck will be a tad and only a tad lighter than the outgoing 2016 model steel truck with the same drive trains that have received some tweaking. Oh, the 250 gets a more user friendly transmission.

The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.

Originally Posted by dlauffenburger

At this point in the process the numbers are what they are, I am sure Dodge and GM are interested as well, but it's not like they can make a significant changes to their designs at this stage either. Sure they can make a few tweaks here and there and maybe fudge a number or two to post a miniscule bump in numbers but nothing of any significance.


I guess I am in the minority because I don't care about the advertisement propaganda stating which trucks have a couple extra theoretical HP or FtLbs of torque, the real evaluations will be when the trucks are out and people can give real world results. Look at the Rams, according to the ads they should be the best towing trucks out there, but in real life they just don't get the job done.


Even if they didn't post the HP, torque, tow/haul numbers, you would think that they would be posting info on configurations (i.e. transmissions, interiors, colors, options, reliability improvements, etc) trying to get people lathered up and ready to order as soon as possible.


I understand the sales hype and all advertisement crap, but if they designed and build the best truck they can within the constraints they were given they should be proud of their product and be bragging about what they have to offer not waiting to the last minute to add a hood emblem of something to one-up the completion.


"Build the best you can and dare the completion to try to beat you."


Philosophical rant over.

Originally Posted by tseekins

Not so sure why this is such a mystery. The truck will be a tad and only a tad lighter than the outgoing 2016 model steel truck with the same drive trains that have received some tweaking. Oh, the 250 gets a more user friendly transmission.

The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.

Originally Posted by Powerdude

Ditto. GMs in my neck of the woods are $15k off (for diesels anyway).

Originally Posted by powerstroke72

I've had order guides in hand over two weeks prior to opening of order banks in the past.