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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 04:55 PM
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camber.. again... in reverse /--o-\

so this will be my 3rd post about this and the general consensus of the last two was that it is perfectly normal... but now my truck is doing the death wobble so i took the truck to a custom shop in my area and he said that he had never hear of a ttb acting that way... and was very bias toward solid axle truck tho. he took it in and said i need I beam bushings, and there was a OBS 250 with the same problem.. im thinking ill wait to see how it works on the other guys truck but what are your thoughts??? also in reverse there is a little knocking sound every couple feet...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 05:00 PM
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drivers side in reverse...





passenger side in reverse....





drivers side after pulling up 10' or so...





passenger side after pulling up....

is this tipical on any of your trucks or worse or what????
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 05:44 PM
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Agree with the shop. I'd say you probably need axle pivot bushings and the noise is from radius arm bushings being worn out. On my '89 F-150 and '94 Bronco (sold) the tires were pretty much straight up.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 06:52 PM
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Every TTB or TIB truck I've had went negative camber, backing up. It's normal. The wobble and noise could be any number of things. Bad pivot/radius arm bushings, bad ball joints, worn tie rod ends, bad u-joints.....

Time to jack it up and start shaking things.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:19 PM
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Don't replace just SOME of the bushings... do ALL of them at once and you won't have to mess with the God-forsaken TTB for a while after that. Assuming you use good bushings anyway. At least do the pivot and radius arm bushings together.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:30 PM
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haha ok but just to be sure what is the actual name for the bushing because ive heard i beam bushing, and axle pivot... which one is it because it seems like neither are for 4x4 trucks lol im trying to read up and learn what i can to do this whole mess
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:32 PM
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most videos are for 2x4 trucks it seems...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:41 PM
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Axle pivot bushing is the correct term
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dixie460
Don't replace just SOME of the bushings... do ALL of them at once and you won't have to mess with the God-forsaken TTB for a while after that. Assuming you use good bushings anyway. At least do the pivot and radius arm bushings together.
that is a very good idea lol what all parts would that include??? i was already going to do moog tie rods & i would like to get all moog parts so that i have a lifetime warrenty
 
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haha ok but just to be sure what is the actual name for the bushing because ive heard i beam bushing, and axle pivot... which one is it because it seems like neither are for 4x4 trucks lol im trying to read up and learn what i can to do this whole mess
Ford's 2WD suspension, long before 1980, was the Twin I Beam. It was called that because it had 2 I beams (I beams are beams that have an "I" shaped cross section).

When Ford came out with their sort of independent front drive axle for the 1980 model year, they borrowed heavily from the 2WD twin I beam design. So when they named it they borrowed from the Twin I Beam name as well. However, since there was nothing remotelu "I" shaped about the beams, and since the whole point of a front drive axle is to give better traction, they called it the Twin Traction Beam suspension (abbreviated TTB by people who don't like to type long words, and yes, I'm usually one of them).

So "I beam pivot bushing" clearly isn't right for a 4WD front end. "Traction beam pivot bushing" would be the logical name, so Ford might have used that (although I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board call it that). "Axle pivot bushing" is what I usually see it called here.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 08:53 PM
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Axle pivot bushing is also how it's listed by parts suppliers
 
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 12:02 AM
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Did the shop even look at the truck before there opinion? The driver side looks normal but there's something going on with the passenger side wheel in my opinion, I would guess that the wheel bearing is very loose and causing some of your problems.... Just going by the pictures.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 06:23 AM
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^x2. When the hi-shear nut backs off on my '87 Bronco it looks the same way and the steering get very loose. That is why I am going to get rid of the hi-shear spindle nuts. The 35" tires are too much stress for them.

I assumed that they would have already checked the wheel bearings before suggesting the pivot bushings.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 07:01 AM
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well i know that my pass wheel bearing is going bad lol but im gonna get some more miles off of it so i can afford to rebuilid most of my TTB.....

and my4fordtrucks, what are you swaping them too??? i would like to know because i am not very fond of the spindle type...
 
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My '96 does the same thing, though not as pronounced. Rides and tracks true. 60+ hiway and stays straight, no wandering. I know my drivers side front u-joint needs replaced, but has no affect on camber...
 
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