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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 09:22 AM
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Electronic ignition in 70's FT

Did ford change to breakerless - Duraspark in mid 70's to last run of FT's ?
 
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Old Jan 22, 2016 | 01:33 PM
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I have heard rumor they exist, but I have never seen one, between me and a buddy we have a few 77 and 78 361/391 distributors, all of which have points.

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Old Jan 23, 2016 | 12:36 AM
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I never saw an FT with Duraspark. The company I work for had a lot of '77 and '78 F-600's with 361XD's in them, and all of them had points. The '79 370's had Duraspark.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2016 | 11:06 PM
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A Petronix e-ignition can be purchased relatively cheaply. I bought a '78 F600 that the p.o. had installed and had a lot of problems with it. However, on other vehicles with Petronix, I've had no problems.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 08:33 AM
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What I may do is take a late 70's duraspark (blue wire restraint box) dizzy apart and see if upper half will mount into a FT distributor. If some mods maybe worth it to keep it Ford.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 04:33 PM
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I fully understand the desire to keep everything Ford, but in this case the pertronix is probably a more practical and simple solution. I have done probably a dozen pertronix conversions on everything from old cars to old fork trucks and they have always come out flawless.

Hope this helps.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 06:47 PM
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I put a Pertronix kit in my '73 F-600 330ci several years ago and it runs like a whole new machine. It starts much easier no matter what the temperature and runs smooth. I would strongly recommend it.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 09:27 PM
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Hey Bleedin'blue, when you installed the Petronix, do you recall if you bypassed the ignition switch resistor wire and, if so, how?

I recently purchased a '78 F600 that the p.o. had installed a Petronix on. It ran so poorly, I ended up removing it and reinstalling points/condenser. I think the Petronix ignitor unit was/is bad.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2016 | 09:41 PM
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It's been awhile since I did it but I don't recall bypassing a resistor. I'll take a look when I get a chance. I'm currently away a college 4 hours from home. I'll get some pictures next time I'm home.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 07:02 AM
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i saw one 390 with a duraspark ignition in it, and many many years ago there was a writeup in 4X4 magazine that explained how to do it.
i have installed the pertronix ignitor in 5 or 6 FT engines with great results.
i left the ballast resistor in place, and then advanced the timing around 5 degrees i believe it was. two of the 391 Ft powered trucks saw over 700,000 miles with the ignitors in them before they were retired and sold.
and by then the distributors were so shot when we put the points back into one of them it would not even run because the deflection in the shaft kept on leaving the points open.
the reason i wanted to put the points back in was to keep the ignitor as a spare.
but i had to put it back in to sell it.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 11:08 PM
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For the real hot rod dump truck, you can use a pertronix unit to trigger an MSD box!

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Old Jan 25, 2016 | 11:27 PM
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...two of the 391 Ft powered trucks saw over 700,000 miles with the ignitors in ... by then the distributors were so shot when we put the points back into one of them it would not even run because the deflection in the shaft kept on leaving the points open. the reason i wanted to put the points back in was to keep the ignitor as a spare. but i had to put it back in to sell it.
That is incredible! This illustrates the real reason people have so much trouble with contact points today I believe. The distributors are all wallered out. Crappy overseas el-cheapo condensers and points don't help. But an electronic module won't be bothered by excessive runout or wobble. Anyone who wants to run points and condenser for whatever reason, make sure they are Autolite or Motorcraft only, and run with a fresh distributor.

What a Pertronix can't compensate for though, is worn advance plate bushings, centrifugal weight mechanism, and defective vacuum advance. When the distributor gets wonky and erratic it causes weird issues and retarded timing, leading to overheating.

Noticed my truck did start quicker with a Pertronix Ignitor, but overall it ran a whole lot better especially with a fresh distributor, now it idles rock steady almost down to about 400 RPM, this is a good diagnostic. A miss or wandering idle can be caused by worn distributor. Another torture test for the ignition is poking along in high gear about 8 or 10 miles an hour, without bucking means wires and cap and everything is OK.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Rusty_Old_F250
For the real hot rod dump truck, you can use a pertronix unit to trigger an MSD box!

Sam


I'm not sure if you are saying this as a joke or a serious suggestion, but it really does have merit.


Multi-spark ignition is most effective in open chamber type heads as are found in most truck and industrial gas engines. The multi-spark will more thoroughly burn the fuel making for more power and fuel economy. The MSD box might pay for itself in this application.


My $0.02,
 
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 09:00 AM
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i have also heard of using a pertronix it fire a msd box.
Ted, the distributors we had in the 391FT's were the ones that used carb vacuum to run the advance plates.
they were so worn out that the shaft had close to 1/8 inch deflection. the points were either always open or always closed.
but the pertronix has a strong enough magnet to open/close the breaker ever at 1/4 inch deflection.
 
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Old Jan 26, 2016 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by MBDiagMan
I'm not sure if you are saying this as a joke or a serious suggestion, but it really does have merit.
It was a bit of both, I know a good hot spark makes an engine perform better under load, but I wasn't aware it would make that big of a difference! It does make sense though, at 78-80cc's the FT chambers are massive, a typical pickup FE chamber is around 68-72cc's

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