Suspension options
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Suspension options
After my 20" wheel/35" tire size upgrade, I get rubbing in the front wheel liners plus the ride has always been "squishy" so it's certainly time to upgrade.
I've read a lot of different posts on suspension upgrades and have come to the following options that I'd like to consider for my goal. If someone has a strong opinion on why I should or shouldn't do one of these please chime in. My options are in the order of preference.
Current setup: 2003 Limited 4X4 with 7.3. Suspension is pure stock/original parts except I have a Helwig rear sway bar. I have 2" wheel spacers as well.
My Ex gets used doing: Grocery getter for the wife, school bus for the kids and friends, occasional race car tow vehicle (single car open trailer).
Goals: Slight lift to clear wheels from rubbing. Improved on-road handling (I don't really go off-road), maintain the ability to tow, not be too tall of a lift.
Options:
#1 BDS 4" lift kit with Fox 2.0 dual shocks and steering stabilizer. Fix/replace any worn out ball joints and bushings.
Notes: I like this options because it's a complete kit built for the Ex. All parts coming from the same manufacture I would think it would all work well together.
#2 Skyjacker lift kit (not sure which one to get)
Notes: Same as above but I'm not sure they make a 4" lift. I have read that their kits are truck based so a 6" lift would be an 8" lift. I dont see on their site that they sell a 4" lift kit for the Ex.
#3 Skyjacker Add a leaf kit.
Notes: Probably the least expensive route however I'm in this truck for the long haul and would like to do this stuff all in one shot.
#4 v/b spring upgrade with shocks.
Notes: I would need to gather all the parts up myself (unless someone sells a complete setup). I would rather spend the money on a kit instead of time gathering up all the parts.
I've read a lot of different posts on suspension upgrades and have come to the following options that I'd like to consider for my goal. If someone has a strong opinion on why I should or shouldn't do one of these please chime in. My options are in the order of preference.
Current setup: 2003 Limited 4X4 with 7.3. Suspension is pure stock/original parts except I have a Helwig rear sway bar. I have 2" wheel spacers as well.
My Ex gets used doing: Grocery getter for the wife, school bus for the kids and friends, occasional race car tow vehicle (single car open trailer).
Goals: Slight lift to clear wheels from rubbing. Improved on-road handling (I don't really go off-road), maintain the ability to tow, not be too tall of a lift.
Options:
#1 BDS 4" lift kit with Fox 2.0 dual shocks and steering stabilizer. Fix/replace any worn out ball joints and bushings.
Notes: I like this options because it's a complete kit built for the Ex. All parts coming from the same manufacture I would think it would all work well together.
#2 Skyjacker lift kit (not sure which one to get)
Notes: Same as above but I'm not sure they make a 4" lift. I have read that their kits are truck based so a 6" lift would be an 8" lift. I dont see on their site that they sell a 4" lift kit for the Ex.
#3 Skyjacker Add a leaf kit.
Notes: Probably the least expensive route however I'm in this truck for the long haul and would like to do this stuff all in one shot.
#4 v/b spring upgrade with shocks.
Notes: I would need to gather all the parts up myself (unless someone sells a complete setup). I would rather spend the money on a kit instead of time gathering up all the parts.
#2
The V/B upgrade wouldn't need new shocks (unless they are due for replacement anyway, but then stock replacements can still be used.)
Not a "kit" but Junior at ATS Spring can hook you up with everything needed for a V/B or V/C (with the rears modded as you like) swap for a pretty reasonable price. he has worked with several members here who have reported great results.
And the lower lift of a V/B or V/C (or X/B or X/C) wouldn't make you want to get new taller tires just to fill out the wheel wells like some of the higher lift kits.
Not a "kit" but Junior at ATS Spring can hook you up with everything needed for a V/B or V/C (with the rears modded as you like) swap for a pretty reasonable price. he has worked with several members here who have reported great results.
And the lower lift of a V/B or V/C (or X/B or X/C) wouldn't make you want to get new taller tires just to fill out the wheel wells like some of the higher lift kits.
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#4
That "squishy" feeling is a result of worn out shocks or shocks with to light compression valving.
35" tires with stock gearing is what is going to negatively impact your towing not a properly done lift.
On road handeling is a good goal to be sure, a higher spring rate, more compression valving, sway bars, low profile tires, can all increase a vehicles handling, like everything in life it is all a matter of compromise. As handeling goes up comfort goes down... Choose wisely.
steering in spec and non worn suspension bushings are the first things to address.
My opinion on the choices you listed would the BDS but with single fox shocks. I would get the dual fox steering stabilizer but unless you just want the bling you don't need dual shocks. A single fox will provide the same valving as duals, duals are valved at 1/2 of a single so they don't overheat when used under extreme off road conditions.
35" tires with stock gearing is what is going to negatively impact your towing not a properly done lift.
On road handeling is a good goal to be sure, a higher spring rate, more compression valving, sway bars, low profile tires, can all increase a vehicles handling, like everything in life it is all a matter of compromise. As handeling goes up comfort goes down... Choose wisely.
steering in spec and non worn suspension bushings are the first things to address.
My opinion on the choices you listed would the BDS but with single fox shocks. I would get the dual fox steering stabilizer but unless you just want the bling you don't need dual shocks. A single fox will provide the same valving as duals, duals are valved at 1/2 of a single so they don't overheat when used under extreme off road conditions.
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Installed
I have my ATS X front and modded C springs and Bilstien shocks installed for about 2 weeks and I absolutely dig it. The Excursion handles like new, slightly lifted and no more rub with the 20" wheels and bigger tires.
I had the installation done by Domestic Diesel in Chino, CA and they did a great job. They finished the project on time and gave me regular updates.
Overall the truck is now about 2.5" higher in the front and about 4" higher in the rear.
I drive the Ex almost daily to work so it was very easy to tell the difference post upgrade. Going through dips where the truck would bottom out is no longer an issues. Going around turns with dips in them went from lots of swaying, bumping and lots of loose suspension noise to no more back and forth swaying, no bumping and no suspension noises at all.
Also on the suspension I had them replace the hub and axle seals, lower and upper ball joints, steering stabilizer, drag and sway bar links. Also installed a new track bar.
Also did some maintenance and minor upgrades such as 6.0 trans cooler, S&B cold air kit, trans flush, radiator hose replacement and flush, water pump, thermostat, CAC tubes, turbo pipes and a rear brake job.
Thanks to everyone on this forum for you help and advice. I couldn't be happier with the Excursion...well...except I think I want to do some power mods next!
After ATS X and C spring upgrade
I had the installation done by Domestic Diesel in Chino, CA and they did a great job. They finished the project on time and gave me regular updates.
Overall the truck is now about 2.5" higher in the front and about 4" higher in the rear.
I drive the Ex almost daily to work so it was very easy to tell the difference post upgrade. Going through dips where the truck would bottom out is no longer an issues. Going around turns with dips in them went from lots of swaying, bumping and lots of loose suspension noise to no more back and forth swaying, no bumping and no suspension noises at all.
Also on the suspension I had them replace the hub and axle seals, lower and upper ball joints, steering stabilizer, drag and sway bar links. Also installed a new track bar.
Also did some maintenance and minor upgrades such as 6.0 trans cooler, S&B cold air kit, trans flush, radiator hose replacement and flush, water pump, thermostat, CAC tubes, turbo pipes and a rear brake job.
Thanks to everyone on this forum for you help and advice. I couldn't be happier with the Excursion...well...except I think I want to do some power mods next!
After ATS X and C spring upgrade
#7
I have my ATS X front and modded C springs and Bilstien shocks installed for about 2 weeks and I absolutely dig it. The Excursion handles like new, slightly lifted and no more rub with the 20" wheels and bigger tires.
I had the installation done by Domestic Diesel in Chino, CA and they did a great job. They finished the project on time and gave me regular updates.
Overall the truck is now about 2.5" higher in the front and about 4" higher in the rear.
I drive the Ex almost daily to work so it was very easy to tell the difference post upgrade. Going through dips where the truck would bottom out is no longer an issues. Going around turns with dips in them went from lots of swaying, bumping and lots of loose suspension noise to no more back and forth swaying, no bumping and no suspension noises at all.
Also on the suspension I had them replace the hub and axle seals, lower and upper ball joints, steering stabilizer, drag and sway bar links. Also installed a new track bar.
Also did some maintenance and minor upgrades such as 6.0 trans cooler, S&B cold air kit, trans flush, radiator hose replacement and flush, water pump, thermostat, CAC tubes, turbo pipes and a rear brake job.
Thanks to everyone on this forum for you help and advice. I couldn't be happier with the Excursion...well...except I think I want to do some power mods next!
After ATS X and C spring upgrade
I had the installation done by Domestic Diesel in Chino, CA and they did a great job. They finished the project on time and gave me regular updates.
Overall the truck is now about 2.5" higher in the front and about 4" higher in the rear.
I drive the Ex almost daily to work so it was very easy to tell the difference post upgrade. Going through dips where the truck would bottom out is no longer an issues. Going around turns with dips in them went from lots of swaying, bumping and lots of loose suspension noise to no more back and forth swaying, no bumping and no suspension noises at all.
Also on the suspension I had them replace the hub and axle seals, lower and upper ball joints, steering stabilizer, drag and sway bar links. Also installed a new track bar.
Also did some maintenance and minor upgrades such as 6.0 trans cooler, S&B cold air kit, trans flush, radiator hose replacement and flush, water pump, thermostat, CAC tubes, turbo pipes and a rear brake job.
Thanks to everyone on this forum for you help and advice. I couldn't be happier with the Excursion...well...except I think I want to do some power mods next!
After ATS X and C spring upgrade
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