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I know this is about '15 or newer... but does the '14 have a different OLM computer? I seem to average roughly 5-7k between oil changes as the manual says I should do it every 7,500 IIRC... but it also has extended usage parameters which calls for more frequent changes at 5,000 instead.
Originally Posted by mynetdude
does the '14 and the '16 have different 3.5EB engines? BTW my truck just came in from the delivery point from the OEM so its at the dealer now... 2016 F150 Platinum FX4 SCREW
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I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Unless you have the 6.2L V8 your owner's guide says the interval is what the OLM dictates. There is no published standard otherwise. What are extended usage parameters?
The 3.5L EcoBoost is unchanged, they are the same. The only revision I'm aware of is different CAC and mounting location, and people don't seem to be having issues with condensation.
The 3.5L EcoBoost is unchanged, they are the same. The only revision I'm aware of is different CAC and mounting location, and people don't seem to be having issues with condensation.
What I mean is the OLM computes your oil life based on your driving; the more city driving you do the less oil life you're going to have vs highway or does it go through oil the same amount or same way no matter the driving conditions? (I'd imagine its worse for offroading as its filtering that dust).
When you look at your manual you'll see recommendations for normal use and extended/heavy usage, etc etc whatever I forget the term they use... but when you use the vehicle more than normally they have other recommendations.
I thought I read somewhere they had made some small changes to the 3.5L EB but I may have likely misunderstood what was being talked about. And I was totally unaware there were condensation issues.
but hey if the '14 and '16 have the same exact 3.5L EB that's good then I'll know what problems to look for
(oh yeah I had a few problems myself on the '14).
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"Extended parameters" I would interpret as added stress to the engine: dusty conditions, towing, stop and go traffic, heavy hauling.
As I recall, which ARE outlined in the owners manual.
With this said, I guess doing an early oil change will NOT hurt, right?
My thought process, from the engineers point of view, is that the engineers are trying to help reduce overall operating costs of the vehicle.
Me, being "old school" and changing my oil every 3000 miles, did find it hard to believe that running Motorcraft oil in this 2.7 for 10,000 miles is hard to
fathom. Itʻs the same oil we have been using for years. It must be newer engine materials that are making a difference.
As I recall, which ARE outlined in the owners manual.
With this said, I guess doing an early oil change will NOT hurt, right?
My thought process, from the engineers point of view, is that the engineers are trying to help reduce overall operating costs of the vehicle.
Me, being "old school" and changing my oil every 3000 miles, did find it hard to believe that running Motorcraft oil in this 2.7 for 10,000 miles is hard to
fathom. Itʻs the same oil we have been using for years. It must be newer engine materials that are making a difference.
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I thought the newer engines were using synthetic anyway? I'm told 5w30 is regular oil (just like 10w30 but a different viscosity or whatever it is)
My thought process, from the engineers point of view, is that the engineers are trying to help reduce overall operating costs of the vehicle.
Me, being "old school" and changing my oil every 3000 miles, did find it hard to believe that running Motorcraft oil in this 2.7 for 10,000 miles is hard to
fathom. Itʻs the same oil we have been using for years. It must be newer engine materials that are making a difference.
Me, being "old school" and changing my oil every 3000 miles, did find it hard to believe that running Motorcraft oil in this 2.7 for 10,000 miles is hard to
fathom. Itʻs the same oil we have been using for years. It must be newer engine materials that are making a difference.
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It's most certainly NOT the same oils we have been using for years. The current spec, API SN, was introduced in October, 2011. The standard has changed eleven times since the API began certifying oils in the 1920s.
http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Oil...0210.pdf?la=en
http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Oil...0210.pdf?la=en
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It's most certainly NOT the same oils we have been using for years. The current spec, API SN, was introduced in October, 2011. The standard has changed eleven times since the API began certifying oils in the 1920s.
http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Oil...0210.pdf?la=en
http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Oil...0210.pdf?la=en
Many synthetics are now made from gas to liquid (GTL) base stocks now, these oils are incredibly pure and durable. They are eclipsing the old preferred synthetic stock, PAO. Actually, it's difficult to find a bad oil these days.
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Like Tom said, it isn't the same at all. The API spec has changed several times in just the last decade. And the 5w30 spec'd for the EcoBoost is a semi-synthetic. Many conventional oils are near synthetic in quality under API SN.
Many synthetics are now made from gas to liquid (GTL) base stocks now, these oils are incredibly pure and durable. They are eclipsing the old preferred synthetic stock, PAO. Actually, it's difficult to find a bad oil these days.
Many synthetics are now made from gas to liquid (GTL) base stocks now, these oils are incredibly pure and durable. They are eclipsing the old preferred synthetic stock, PAO. Actually, it's difficult to find a bad oil these days.
And wouldn't full synth be better than synth blend? Although a full synth for EB is almost $70, I remember oil for the 7.3L PSD was almost $100! (takes more oil to run that PSD than the EB obviously).
Does the OLM know the difference between synth blend and full synth? I would hope so since it has sensors to tell us when to change the oil
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I said that many [I]synthetics[I] these days are made from GTL. Semi synthetic is a blend of conventional and synthetic.
The OLM functions on nothing more than algorithms based on input from the PCM. there is mo sensor testing the oil for contaminates. Think of the OLM as a general guideline. You can reset it yourself at anytime, kind of like the average MPG meter.
The OLM functions on nothing more than algorithms based on input from the PCM. there is mo sensor testing the oil for contaminates. Think of the OLM as a general guideline. You can reset it yourself at anytime, kind of like the average MPG meter.
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I said that many [I]synthetics[I] these days are made from GTL. Semi synthetic is a blend of conventional and synthetic.
The OLM functions on nothing more than algorithms based on input from the PCM. there is mo sensor testing the oil for contaminates. Think of the OLM as a general guideline. You can reset it yourself at anytime, kind of like the average MPG meter.
The OLM functions on nothing more than algorithms based on input from the PCM. there is mo sensor testing the oil for contaminates. Think of the OLM as a general guideline. You can reset it yourself at anytime, kind of like the average MPG meter.
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It's most certainly NOT the same oils we have been using for years. The current spec, API SN, was introduced in October, 2011. The standard has changed eleven times since the API began certifying oils in the 1920s.
http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Oil...0210.pdf?la=en
http://www.api.org/~/media/Files/Oil...0210.pdf?la=en
been using the same oil I used in the 80s.
My comment was purely figurative. Sorry guys!
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Sort of. The spec WSS-M2C946-A is met by every name-brand conventional oil I bothered to look up. Motorcraft is marketed as a semi-synthetic in the U.S., but conventional in Canada. If anyone finds a conventional 5w30 that's not certified to WSS-M2C946-A I'd love to know.
Yup. Just about anything with an API SN rating will do a great job.
The life of the oil varies dramatically based on driving conditions. Those who do lots of highway driving often find on their UOAs that they can stretch out their drain intervals well past 10,000 miles on conventional oil. On the other side, those who idle a lot and do lots of short trips couldn't go anywhere near as long. I believe this is the reason for the OLM, it takes into account operating conditions to provide an accurate estimate of oil life.
If you have an hour or so and want some light reading check out this article:
Motor Oil 101 - Bob is the Oil Guy - Bob is the Oil Guy
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Actually, it's difficult to find a bad oil these days.
Originally Posted by mynetdude
ah well what's the point of an OLM if its not going to do much? Since its not contaminant based (which I don't think it could ever be) I think the life of the oil is the same whether you are mostly highway vs city... you reach 5,000 miles a lot quicker on the highways than you do in the cities... so time is also a factor and will decrease the life of the oil according to the OLM.
If you have an hour or so and want some light reading check out this article:
Motor Oil 101 - Bob is the Oil Guy - Bob is the Oil Guy
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