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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 02:04 PM
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Lowering options

I've got a all stock 67 f100 and I've done a lot of research on options to lower it. Looking to drop the back about 5" and the front 3" or more. I think I've figured out the cost of parts for all my options but I'm unable to do the labor anymore due to my health so I'll be looking at having the work done. Anyone out there have any idea what I'm looking at on labor costs for the different options?
 
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 02:16 PM
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The low-buck way to get what you want is bolt-on with minimal fabrication....That would lead me to conclude DJM dream beams for the front and a bolt-on axle flip and C-notch for the back.

DJM beams $600
Fatman Fabrications Bolt-on Axle Flip $550

Shop labor ranges from $70 to $100 per hour. Budget $500 for the front and $700 for the rear.

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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 02:19 PM
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^what he said

Two most popular options in the front...
Dream beams, CV swap.

Most popular options in the rear...
Lowering shackles, with Axle flip, with C-notch. If you do the CV front, you can do a CV/explorer/82-83F-100 rear to get a matching bolt pattern. The explorer and CV will have disc brakes.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 02:34 PM
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I was considering CV swap as #2 option but I'm sure the labor costs are going to be much higher and I wasn't aware of the different bolt patterns from stock rear end. I've been told there's a noticeable negative camber when you use the dream beams for the front.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 02:53 PM
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The camber shouldn't change with Dream Beams. I put a set on my 72 recently. I haven't finished installing all of my front sheet metal yet, but it looks like I may be able to trim a half coil or so, to get the camber right. I'm waiting until I can drive it a bit before cutting coils. On the rear, I flipped the hangers, (half flip) and I'm buying longer shackles. I'm not planning to notch the frame at this time. I'm installing flat bump stops, and should have at least an inch of travel. I'll try that for a while.
Although the CV swap is cool and popular, the labor costs will be high if you can't do it yourself. And you have the problem of changing the rearend to a matching bolt pattern. I chose the beams partly because I'm using steel wheels with dog dish hubcaps. I don't want to buy fancy wheels. I'm going for a low buck shop truck look. (Low buck has turned into a joke though)
 
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Originally Posted by Sprty77rk05
I was considering CV swap as #2 option but I'm sure the labor costs are going to be much higher and I wasn't aware of the different bolt patterns from stock rear end. I've been told there's a noticeable negative camber when you use the dream beams for the front.
Whoever told you that probably didn't or does not understand the principle of lowering beams. Lowering beams increase the distance between the spindle mount and horizontal center line of the i-beam. In essence, lowering beams have a longer "neck" at the outboard ends... it's the same principle as lowering spindles where wheel centerline is moved higher and closer to the upper ball joint.

They probably thought lowering is a matter of cutting the coil springs... that's where the negative camber is resulted because it is as if the suspension is compressed.

A CV swap would require significantly more labor hours plus fabricating engine mounts... and the engine has to be removed. A dream beam setup basically requires just removing and replacing, inter alia, the i-beams.
 
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Old Nov 26, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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I'm going for a low buck shop truck look. (Low buck has turned into a joke though)
Low-buck is possible but yes, it is relative.

Excluding the EFI, Tremec TKO five-speed, and Mach 1 upholstery.... I've got at total of about $7500 in my truck. It would have been fine with a Summit 600 cfm carb, NP-435, and bench seat but what fun is that???

 
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Thanks for all the input guys. I think I'm going with the full flip with C notch in the rear and dream beams up front with about a quarter to a half a coil cut out up front depending on how much drop I get with the drop beams.
 
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Sorry to hi-jack, but if you are already working with a bare frame with no engine/trans, would the CV be a better route?
 
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Old Nov 29, 2015 | 01:42 PM
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Sorry to hi-jack, but if you are already working with a bare frame with no engine/trans, would the CV be a better route?
"Better" is a relative term. For whom?..... A CV swap would lower the front end about five inches... inconsistent with the OP's goal.

And read the OP's first post - He's farming out the labor.
 
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It would be awesome to have the 5" drop in the front that you get from the CV swap. Not to mention the great ride but I've got a complete finished truck other than the lowered stance I want. Not having endless funds or the health to do the work myself that I would have done not all so long ago, I think my best option again is rear end flip with new shocks and C notch the frame along with Dream Beams new proggresive lowering coils and shocks up front.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2015 | 06:09 PM
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Yeah, i agree if the truck is put together, the CV mod would be too much work. I have the same dilema but, Im working on a bare frame. The 68 I bought has a severe front hit, so I bought a bare frame to swap cab and bed. I just cant decide what route to take on the suspension? If i leave it as is i could get it on the road faster, but that CV kit sure has me torn.
 
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Old Nov 29, 2015 | 06:31 PM
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Yeah, i agree if the truck is put together, the CV mod would be too much work. I have the same dilema but, Im working on a bare frame. The 68 I bought has a severe front hit, so I bought a bare frame to swap cab and bed. I just cant decide what route to take on the suspension? If i leave it as is i could get it on the road faster, but that CV kit sure has me torn.
A CV IFS in front and a truck arm system in back...

Rear Suspensions and Truck Arms - Street Rodder Magazine

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Old Nov 29, 2015 | 06:37 PM
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I believe if I was in your situation I would put the CV in. I looked around as I was kicking my decision around and saw low mile complete Crown Vic front ends from salvage yards for less than $700. This will give your 68 a ride like a luxury car!
 
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