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Old Dec 16, 2015 | 10:45 AM
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Old Dec 16, 2015 | 01:12 PM
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Not sure how you guys are getting those #'s towing anything. My 5.0 4wd scab 3:55 @70mph pulling a side by side on a 6x12(3klbs max) is getting 12mpg at best in a long flat section of florida highway.

I averaged 19.5 on a 200 mile trip of highway and traffic on I4, ran about 75 and some stopped traffic in orlando.

The trailer murdered the mpg.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 04:16 PM
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I haven't towed anything, YET.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2015 | 04:53 PM
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With 3,200 miles on the clock I'm starting to get some good data.



My driving is almost exclusively rural highway between 60-75 MPH, and my commute to work is 11 miles each way. Cold weather and wind certainly aren't helping my fuel economy, but on the nice days it's easy to get in the 20's. I'm happy with it.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 03:09 PM
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We drive up and down the mountain on a daily basis; about 15-20 miles each way and 2400' of elevation gain/loss. The worst we get is about 17 MPG calculating based on actual fuel used. The console is always between 1/2 ans 3/4 MPG better than what we calculate.

We just got back from a trip to Yosemite, which involved going across the San Joaquin valley and then up to ~~ 4000'. Round trip came to just over 21 MPG. It's way better than our Toyotas.
 
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Old Dec 25, 2015 | 01:19 PM
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Is there any evidence that the LoM is more accurate with the 5.0 than with the ecoboosts, or is it about the same error?
I got the 5.0V8, 3.31, S/C and my LOM is out by 5% on every tank . I'm getting 20.3miles/US gal for 80% highway/20% town
 
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Old Dec 25, 2015 | 01:32 PM
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I would guess that the LoM is the same unit for all trucks, regardless of engine. But, there has to be a setting that tells it how many cylinders the engine has so it can compute fuel flow.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
I would guess that the LoM is the same unit for all trucks, regardless of engine. But, there has to be a setting that tells it how many cylinders the engine has so it can compute fuel flow.
You don't think there's a fuel transducer measuring thel actual fuel flow? Either that or it measures each squirt into each cylinder.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 11:17 AM
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An actual flow meter is too expensive for production vehicle. Probably using fuel pressure and injector pulse width to estimate.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 11:44 AM
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An actual flow meter is too expensive for production vehicle. Probably using fuel pressure and injector pulse width to estimate.
That would make sense, but it would seem to be really difficult to make that accurate enough. None-the-less, there should be a setting somewhere in the OBD system (or related) that allows you to adjust the calibration on that. No doubt that there is a stock setting, and that it seems like it effectively, consistently under-measures the amount of fuel being metered.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 12:12 PM
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The computer knows how much fuel it is commanding. It uses that data with the mileage traveled to compute mpg
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterCMK
The computer knows how much fuel it is commanding. It uses that data with the mileage traveled to compute mpg
^^^ This. Previous generation trucks would calculate this in the instrument cluster with engine speed and fuel flow data from the PCM. Not sure where this is calculated on the newer trucks, but I'm fairly confident it uses the same method.

Took my first trip in the new truck this weekend. It was 1410 miles to Toledo, OH and back over the course of two days. Temperatures were between 20-40 for the majority of the trip, and it was relatively windy. On the way down I cruised at 75 MPH and the gauge settled in around 17.5 MPG. On the way home today I slowed down to 70 and the LoM showed 19.6 when I got home. Actual hand-calc for that tank was 19.1.



The truck is rated for 23 MPG highway, but mine has 3.55 gears which certainly doesn't help. With the chilly temps and wind I'm perfectly happy with how it did.
 
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I agree - it would be too expensive to use fuel flow transducer to determine how much fuel is used. So, I'd bet they use pressure and time, as was said. And, I'm sure there is a parameter somewhere in the system to tweak - if we only knew where and had access.

I'll be posting my Tulsa/STL/Tulsa results soon. But, on the way up I cruised at 73-78 MPH depending on the speed limit and the LoM said I got about 17.5 MPG. On the way back, today, I drove 67 MPG all the way in the 4wd automatic setting due to the fact that it rained every inch of the way, and HARD at times. And I know it supplied power to the front wheels as I felt it grab a couple of times and the Power Distribution display showed it powering the front wheels frequently. But, at that speed the LoM showed 19.1 at the end of the trip.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Lewis
I agree - it would be too expensive to use fuel flow transducer to determine how much fuel is used. So, I'd bet they use pressure and time, as was said. And, I'm sure there is a parameter somewhere in the system to tweak - if we only knew where and had access.

I'll be posting my Tulsa/STL/Tulsa results soon. But, on the way up I cruised at 73-78 MPH depending on the speed limit and the LoM said I got about 17.5 MPG. On the way back, today, I drove 67 MPG all the way in the 4wd automatic setting due to the fact that it rained every inch of the way, and HARD at times. And I know it supplied power to the front wheels as I felt it grab a couple of times and the Power Distribution display showed it powering the front wheels frequently. But, at that speed the LoM showed 19.1 at the end of the trip.
Not pressure, it will use fuel quantity commanded to be injected. Fuel pressure doesn't matter for this.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2015 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MisterCMK
The computer knows how much fuel it is commanding. It uses that data with the mileage traveled to compute mpg
FWIW, Dashboss uses MAF, RPM and MPH among other PIDs to configure MPG.

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