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The relation between Injection Pulsewidth and Loss of ICP - PowerStrokeNation : Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
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One other reason I liked my tuning is the extra safety parameters Jody installs to protect guys like me from killing there trucks. On my hottest tune, if the motor is cold, it wont go. Acts almost stock. As it warms up it releases more power until it reaches a certain temp, then it lets me go. Saved my motor a few times I suspect when my ego took over and I hammered it when cold to catch a loser. Never caught him, because Jody's safety parameters saved my motor.
I know I'm being pretentious here so you don't have to call me out on it.
Holding my tongue......
errr.
I hope I don't partake in any beer drinking tonight.
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What would be more helpful is if you would state how many different tune writers you have purchased tunes from and actually run in both pavement queen mode and full out work mode. That is where the rubber meets the road. Since you have the INFINITY maybe you should log the data from your truck and submit it to Tugly for analysis. Anything less from you is subjective and anecdotal at best. The data will tell us about your tunes and how much experience you have with judging good tunes.
The devil is in the details.
Your Edge experience does not count.
I re-read what I wrote above and I did not state that I don't like him. I think he is a decent fellow.
EXACTLY!!!!!!! You are spot on. If you have a pavement queen, then maybe, just maybe, this year long process works while you live with high ICP, hard shifts, smoke, EGT's that have to be actively managed.
Who has the time or the patience for this year long process of dealing with any of this from anybody regardless of who the tuner is? Let me see a show of hands....
Plus, during all of this, I'll bet the return period for a refund has expired....
BUT, if you or your family or both rely on the truck for your livelihood, then you don't have time for this nonsense especially considering the fact that some tuners will get it 99.9% correct on the first set of tunes...thru email and the US mail or equivalent.
And this has now become circular....and you made our point.
Are these not native?
The devil is in the details.
Your Edge experience does not count.
I re-read what I wrote above and I did not state that I don't like him. I think he is a decent fellow.
EXACTLY!!!!!!! You are spot on. If you have a pavement queen, then maybe, just maybe, this year long process works while you live with high ICP, hard shifts, smoke, EGT's that have to be actively managed.
Who has the time or the patience for this year long process of dealing with any of this from anybody regardless of who the tuner is? Let me see a show of hands....
Plus, during all of this, I'll bet the return period for a refund has expired....
BUT, if you or your family or both rely on the truck for your livelihood, then you don't have time for this nonsense especially considering the fact that some tuners will get it 99.9% correct on the first set of tunes...thru email and the US mail or equivalent.
And this has now become circular....and you made our point.
Are these not native?
Last edited by Stewart_H; Oct 28, 2015 at 11:47 PM. Reason: Personal attacks removed
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One more note. All my parameters are fine. My EGTs never get too hot, except on my hottest tune with a real long pedal to floor hold. My 400hp tune, pedal to the floor, maxes at 1100, at 140mph, 3200rpm, and I can hold it there all day with no problems. This motor is built. Big time. And the tuning is outstanding, did I already mention that?? LOl
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I meant the screwed customer comment. I've never ran into or heard of one. Doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure if my motor was stock or had a couple bolt ons, Jody could have gotten right the first time. But since every single bolt and part in or on my motor is total maxed out performance(25k in parts alone) , I figure any tuner would have a challenge to email me a tune to run these monster hybrids and all the rest. His first tunes ran great, but my friends and I are hp junkies and I wanted perfection, so over the course of a year we emailed back and forth the whole time making changes back and forth to get it perfect. I bet he could even get it better if he were here. I'm not sure if other tuners put those safetys in or not. Edge didn't on there chip. It only had parameters you could set for max alarms and back off, but nothing unvoluntary like these tunes. I have my max alarms too, but I have no control over the ones Jody put in the programs. Others probably do that too, but my friends don't. They don't bother because they are aware of the dangers and don't play around cold. I have a lead foot and my ego takes over on a regular basis and I forget and smack it. If those weren't there, I'd probably be spending another 25k in parts. If my experience with Edge doesn't count, then all your unhappy customers with DP don't count either. Unhappy is unhappy. Of course it counts. Edge themselves said they had a lot of problems with the first version of Juice with Attitude, so I was not the only break down. Problem was, the new version did the same thing, only difference was they can fix that one. First version was none serviceable. The main reason I keep fighting here is the dumby up above who can't accept Edge sells chips. What an idiot. If they call it a chip, its a chip. If it shifts on the fly, its a chip. No flash tuner on the planet will shift on the fly. How can your motor run while its blanking your PCM. Edge shifts on the fly to any tune and it does not flash your PCM. It uses the stock program and piggy backs its signal. IT DOES NOT PROGRAM. AE plugs into the usb too, guess its a flash programmer too. Hahahaha. Just because a device uses that port doesn't mean its flash programmer. I could cut the plug off the infinity and attach the wires right to the port on the PCM and it would do the same job as the usb, but would not be a chip. Both ports are Identical by nature, just a different plug or board on one. The usb is identical to the board connection except it is wired and has a generic plug on it, ie. the usb plug. At the pcm end it goes in the pins then joins the board at the same lines as the pcm port. So my infinity is a programmer, but I could hook to either if I wanted to cut it. So just because it plugs to the board instead of the usb doesn't mean its a chip either. Difference between a chip and a programmer is a chip piggy backs the stock program, the programmer removes the stock program and puts in a new program. You all know that. This was for the dumb dumb up above that can't tell the difference. If he can prove to me that the EDGE blanks my pcm and reinstalls a new program, while I drive it. Then I will concede and call Edge myself to tell them they havn't a clue what they are selling. They call it a chip, not a programmer. There exact words were " Its not a programmer, it does not program. It is considered a piggy back chip". Guess they don't believe dumb dumb either. There isn't a programmer on the planet that can shift on the fly, unless it has a chip in conjunction like the hub allows on the infinity. So dumby needs to go back to school.
Meet a couple of friends of mine...
Sorry, couldn't resist
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I meant the screwed customer comment. I've never ran into or heard of one. Doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm sure if my motor was stock or had a couple bolt ons, Jody could have gotten right the first time. But since every single bolt and part in or on my motor is total maxed out performance(25k in parts alone) , I figure any tuner would have a challenge to email me a tune to run these monster hybrids and all the rest. His first tunes ran great, but my friends and I are hp junkies and I wanted perfection, so over the course of a year we emailed back and forth the whole time making changes back and forth to get it perfect. I bet he could even get it better if he were here. I'm not sure if other tuners put those safetys in or not. Edge didn't on there chip. It only had parameters you could set for max alarms and back off, but nothing unvoluntary like these tunes. I have my max alarms too, but I have no control over the ones Jody put in the programs. Others probably do that too, but my friends don't. They don't bother because they are aware of the dangers and don't play around cold. I have a lead foot and my ego takes over on a regular basis and I forget and smack it. If those weren't there, I'd probably be spending another 25k in parts. If my experience with Edge doesn't count, then all your unhappy customers with DP don't count either. Unhappy is unhappy. Of course it counts. Edge themselves said they had a lot of problems with the first version of Juice with Attitude, so I was not the only break down. Problem was, the new version did the same thing, only difference was they can fix that one. First version was none serviceable. The main reason I keep fighting here is the dumby up above who can't accept Edge sells chips. What an idiot. If they call it a chip, its a chip. If it shifts on the fly, its a chip. No flash tuner on the planet will shift on the fly. How can your motor run while its blanking your PCM. Edge shifts on the fly to any tune and it does not flash your PCM. It uses the stock program and piggy backs its signal. IT DOES NOT PROGRAM. AE plugs into the usb too, guess its a flash programmer too. Hahahaha. Just because a device uses that port doesn't mean its flash programmer. I could cut the plug off the infinity and attach the wires right to the port on the PCM and it would do the same job as the usb, but would not be a chip. Both ports are Identical by nature, just a different plug or board on one. The usb is identical to the board connection except it is wired and has a generic plug on it, ie. the usb plug. At the pcm end it goes in the pins then joins the board at the same lines as the pcm port. So my infinity is a programmer, but I could hook to either if I wanted to cut it. So just because it plugs to the board instead of the usb doesn't mean its a chip either. Difference between a chip and a programmer is a chip piggy backs the stock program, the programmer removes the stock program and puts in a new program. You all know that. This was for the dumb dumb up above that can't tell the difference. If he can prove to me that the EDGE blanks my pcm and reinstalls a new program, while I drive it. Then I will concede and call Edge myself to tell them they havn't a clue what they are selling. They call it a chip, not a programmer. There exact words were " Its not a programmer, it does not program. It is considered a piggy back chip". Guess they don't believe dumb dumb either. There isn't a programmer on the planet that can shift on the fly, unless it has a chip in conjunction like the hub allows on the infinity. So dumby needs to go back to school.
Unless you know the tune writer for EDGE by name then sorry that is not what we are interested in.
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I will try one last time. Several people on here have specifically asked you to name the tuners that you have experience with either directly, by inference or proxy...including me. We've asked for this due to a statement that you made.
I am curious as to who you have experience with so that I will know, and the OP can know, how much experience with running different tunes you have so that we can attach a "validity quotient" to your opinion...and at this point we would like to see the data because several on here can look at what is happening on your 140mph runs to see what is going on. You might actually make a believer out of me if you provide the proof....
Where do you do this run?
Unless you know the tune writer for EDGE by name then sorry that is not what we are interested in.
I am curious as to who you have experience with so that I will know, and the OP can know, how much experience with running different tunes you have so that we can attach a "validity quotient" to your opinion...and at this point we would like to see the data because several on here can look at what is happening on your 140mph runs to see what is going on. You might actually make a believer out of me if you provide the proof....
Where do you do this run?
Unless you know the tune writer for EDGE by name then sorry that is not what we are interested in.
I do not know who does edges programing. Just know it didn't work well in my truck, and won't work at all in my new motor. As said though, the one in my mustang works great. Oh, and its a chip too. Plugged into the usb and sensors.
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Actually, I would prefer to have the person writing the tunes for my truck actually have a knowledge of the specific components and their limitations. Check out the link above posted by CampSpringsJohn. If, after reading it, at the end of that thread you still feel the way you do, well, we can simply have a different perspective, no harm, no foul.