vw -- OOPS!
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vw -- OOPS!
Hi,
The EPA is saying that VW diesels had some very special software. It could detect when the cars were being tested vs when they were just being driven.
So, when tested, the emissions were fine -- not so much in normal use.
The press is going with the worst case (surprise), and saying that VW could be hit with an 18 billion dollar fine. Somehow I doubt that. But, if this is true, it probably will be substantial.
hj
The EPA is saying that VW diesels had some very special software. It could detect when the cars were being tested vs when they were just being driven.
So, when tested, the emissions were fine -- not so much in normal use.
The press is going with the worst case (surprise), and saying that VW could be hit with an 18 billion dollar fine. Somehow I doubt that. But, if this is true, it probably will be substantial.
hj
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This is a big OOPS indeed. With VW in constant denial for years about the results and then admitting it, could create a huge stumbling block for them. They will have to replace the software at their cost for all diesel units sold in the US and who knows, maybe buy back the cars that customers are unhappy with, since performance gains may be lost. It will also be interesting if any other automakers employed the same tactics for their diesel cars.
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If I hear correctly there are about 480K vehicles with this "glitch"---VW admits they did wrong and will seek to correct it. It'll be nothing less than fascinating watching how all this unfolds over the next few months.
I can't help but wondering how this will affect perception of diesel engines in usual commuter vehicles. GM nearly killed the USA market for passenger cars back in the late 70's and early 80's, so poorly done by being rushed into production with too little long-term testing. VW's gaffe can't do much to improve all this I'm thinking.
I can't help but wondering how this will affect perception of diesel engines in usual commuter vehicles. GM nearly killed the USA market for passenger cars back in the late 70's and early 80's, so poorly done by being rushed into production with too little long-term testing. VW's gaffe can't do much to improve all this I'm thinking.
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This is true, but it only takes one 'ah ****' to wipe out a thousand 'atta boys'. Also, this isn't just a company cheating you personally, they did this to the world! Just think, until the software is changed, can the EPA automatically declare any VW diesel on this list a 'gross polluter'? Yes. Will they? Probably not. And think of the trust issues that come with this. Ford took their hit with the Explorer, Toyota and their accelerator, Chevy with their ignition.
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This is true, but it only takes one 'ah ****' to wipe out a thousand 'atta boys'. Also, this isn't just a company cheating you personally, they did this to the world! Just think, until the software is changed, can the EPA automatically declare any VW diesel on this list a 'gross polluter'? Yes. Will they? Probably not. And think of the trust issues that come with this. Ford took their hit with the Explorer, Toyota and their accelerator, Chevy with their ignition.
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Seems to me that they are just doing what backyard mechanics have been doing for decades, trying to beat emission standards. Egr, cat delete, tuners and on and on. I'm surprised no one is applauding them. I don't have an opinion one way or the other, I just find this subject quite interesting. Whatever the cost ends up being it should be taken into account no one died because of their actions. The same can't be said for other recent car companies issues.
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Seems to me that they are just doing what backyard mechanics have been doing for decades, trying to beat emission standards. Egr, cat delete, tuners and on and on. I'm surprised no one is applauding them. I don't have an opinion one way or the other, I just find this subject quite interesting. Whatever the cost ends up being it should be taken into account no one died because of their actions. The same can't be said for other recent car companies issues.
Market value loss over two days was $28 billion, although some has returned today.
Every country they sell in will prosecute, and class-action lawsuits are in the making worldwide as well.
I can't believe they could be so foolish.
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I own a 2014 TDI Sportwagen. I am interested to see what the fixes do to solve this problem. So far most of the options, to include computer fixes which will probably kill mileage and performace to installing urea tanks to cover the nitrogen output sound less than outstanding.
I am amused at the fallout. It seems interesting that my 2005 seems to have better emissions than my 2014 TD(lIe) VW.
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http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/09/2...fied-by-uncle/
Good article on the issue, a bit different take than the ******* and bed-wetters in the regular press.
Good article on the issue, a bit different take than the ******* and bed-wetters in the regular press.
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Revenue of $61.72 billion
After tax profit fell to $2.7 billion, from $3.01 billion, for the quarter due to decreased China sales.
Most likely 3rd quarter won't better either while the 4th quarter is uncharted territory now.
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Nah, of course not. Just walkin' around money. Seriously though, that's just the potential fine. It could end up costing a lot more than that. The hit on their stock share price alone has probably exceeded that already. I'd say it'll more than ripple their bucket.
Companies don't pay fines. Their customers do.
Companies don't pay fines. Their customers do.
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Good article on the issue, a bit different take than the ******* and bed-wetters in the regular press.
Good article on the issue, a bit different take than the ******* and bed-wetters in the regular press.
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I doubt you will find anywhere the actual numbers vs. the more dramatic "40% higher" claim. Pretty sure as that article suggests these are tiny numbers. The numbers and results may be meaningless, but it's not smart to falsify things. One rational response to this might be to critically examine the real emissions difference in actual numbers, not percentages, and simply leave the cars alone and fine VW. Oh..sorry, I said "rational" in connection to emissons regulation...my bad.