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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 09:58 AM
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Thanks 351!
So there really is no "Precision Expertise" with the Spartan locker huh? Here it comes- Once it is installed it wont do any real damage right? I read about the clicking in tight corners but having 2 wheels driving in the rear in mud and snow will be so worth it! Now is it always locked or is it only locked when the main wheel spins? Thanks again!
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 10:04 AM
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By design it is always locked, except when going around a corner when it can "over run" itself and differentiate. The clicking won't be noticeable unless you have a truck that is otherwise silent. A loud muffler will drown out the clicking. Running heavy gear oil will cushion it as well.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 01:53 PM
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Hmmm, I might be willing to spend $250 to try and tear up a third member. I have a steel foot and boots with lead soles.
Hold my beer, watch this....
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TeachNlive4ever
351ClevlandC4, you say NO special tools are required for set up? That's what has scared me away from doing it myself. All the dial gauges and pinion depth.
Do you have a link for what you installed or was that what you posted?
If you pull the carrier on a 9", you need at least to check backlash when putting it back together(check it before taking it out and then put it back to that number when putting it back together). Then there is also bearing preload on the carrier. Not exactly a "no special tools" kinda job. Not difficult, but you still have to set it up. Granted you don't have to worry about pinion depth, but everything else needs checked.

Only on like an 8.8 can you change parts and not worry about setting it back up. You pull the side shims out(after removing main caps), remove carrier and then slip it back together. Everything is already set up with the shims you took out. I've swapped open to LS in a few hours on an 8.8.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:12 PM
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I'm ignorant to diffs. What is backlash and how do I find "that number"?
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:19 PM
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You don't even have to pull the carrier out of the case. Thus, no setup required.

Backlash is the "slop" in the gears. The amount of wiggle room between the pinion and ring gear.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:26 PM
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Ahh, I don't want the same backlash. One of my diffs wallers around like a BB in a box car.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:35 PM
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In that case you can adjust it. If you have a dial calipers you can get by using that. Otherwise a magnetic base indicator is what you need.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:39 PM
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Won't that require a press and shims or less of?
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:46 PM
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Nope. A 9" is about the simplest designed diff ever made. Backlash is set by adjusting nuts on the side of the bearings. Screw one out and the other in to move the ring gear left or right.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 02:51 PM
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How do you get to the side gears without removing the carrier?

Backlash is set using the side bearings. Moving the carrier one way or the other moves the teeth closer/apart, thus setting the backlash. The "slop" in basic terms. There are spanner nuts on each end that allow you to move the carrier. How tight the bearings is the preload on the side bearings. When working on a used gearset, you measure it and then return it to that setting when putting it back together.

See the spanner nuts with the lock tabs that keep it from turning after you set it:



With some basic knowledge it isn't really that difficult.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 03:04 PM
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The side gears are removed through the openings in the side of the carrier, and the locker unit replaces them. The cross pin is removed and the gears are "walked" out.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 03:08 PM
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Never tried it that way. Didn't think the holes were big enough. I've always been rebuilding it anyway so always had it fully apart.

Learn something new.
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 351Cleveland C4
The side gears are removed through the openings in the side of the carrier, and the locker unit replaces them. The cross pin is removed and the gears are "walked" out.
I think you meant the "spider" gears are removed...correct?
 
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Old Sep 17, 2015 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightrain
Never tried it that way. Didn't think the holes were big enough. I've always been rebuilding it anyway so always had it fully apart.

Learn something new.
I think you are thinking of a T/L case Train. They don't call a non-locking diff an "open" rear end for nothing.

 
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