V10 Rebuild Project
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V10 Rebuild Project
I just bought my second Excursion.
It has 210,000 miles on it. Got it cheap due to a blown up transfer case.
Engine was 3 qts low on oil, and next oil change was scheduled on 8 Aug 15, per sticker. Guess it did not get done due to transfer case.
So, I want to rebuild the V10 motor. I don't want a remanufactured one, I don't trust them. I trust my machine shop as I worked with them before. I trust in my ability to assemble the motor too.
What I need is a line on quality parts for a rebuild. Not the POS kits that are offered that don't even tell you who makes the parts in the kit.
I have no issued with buying OEM parts, I just don't know all the parts and pieces to buy and if they are discontinued or not.
Anyone here know a place to get quality rebuild kits or individual parts?
It has 210,000 miles on it. Got it cheap due to a blown up transfer case.
Engine was 3 qts low on oil, and next oil change was scheduled on 8 Aug 15, per sticker. Guess it did not get done due to transfer case.
So, I want to rebuild the V10 motor. I don't want a remanufactured one, I don't trust them. I trust my machine shop as I worked with them before. I trust in my ability to assemble the motor too.
What I need is a line on quality parts for a rebuild. Not the POS kits that are offered that don't even tell you who makes the parts in the kit.
I have no issued with buying OEM parts, I just don't know all the parts and pieces to buy and if they are discontinued or not.
Anyone here know a place to get quality rebuild kits or individual parts?
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I don't have an answer to your question but I am curious why you don't trust remanufactured units.
If your reasoning was cost/price that would make sense....
Jasper has been around for decades, has 1,700 employees, is employee-owned, and sells thousands of engines every year with a warranty.
I totally respect the idea of rebuilding your own engine. Personally I wish I had the time/money/tools to do my own V10 someday. I'd definitely do some upgrades: maybe compression, cams, lightweight this/that, etc...
I just don't understand why you have trust issues with a remanufactured engine.
If your reasoning was cost/price that would make sense....
Jasper has been around for decades, has 1,700 employees, is employee-owned, and sells thousands of engines every year with a warranty.
I totally respect the idea of rebuilding your own engine. Personally I wish I had the time/money/tools to do my own V10 someday. I'd definitely do some upgrades: maybe compression, cams, lightweight this/that, etc...
I just don't understand why you have trust issues with a remanufactured engine.
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<p>About the only thing that you need to worry about with the V10 versus any other rebuild is the timing chain, gears, guides and tensioner, and all the "torque to yield" bolts that need to be replaced. Everything else is a "normal " rebuild - bearings, pistons, rings, gaskets. Pistons/rings you won't know what size to get until the block is bored, and bearings when the crank is cut. Bearings can be provided by the crank cutter, and Clevite/Sealed Power are decent names in the business. Or, go with Ford OEM. Pistons, same thing, Sealed Power, or OEM.</p><p>Question is, which pistons? non-PI pistons and PI heads that will bring the compression up to something reasonable? 
</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I don't really think he needs to explain that - while warranties are great, it's still a LOT of downtime when an engine fails. I would love to do my own V10 rebuild when it becomes necessary - although the way things are going, I'll probably sell the truck before it needs it <img alt="Evil Grin" src="https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/images/smilies2/evilgrin0007.gif" style="height:19px; width:21px" title="Evil Grin" /></p>
</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I don't really think he needs to explain that - while warranties are great, it's still a LOT of downtime when an engine fails. I would love to do my own V10 rebuild when it becomes necessary - although the way things are going, I'll probably sell the truck before it needs it <img alt="Evil Grin" src="https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/images/smilies2/evilgrin0007.gif" style="height:19px; width:21px" title="Evil Grin" /></p>
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<p><img alt="Hijacked" src="https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/images/smilies2/sign0101.gif" style="height:51px; width:46px" title="Hijacked" /></p><p></p><p>Ever feel the satisfaction of doing it yourself and knowing you did it right?</p>
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I have checked most reman facilities. Prices vary from $3200 to $4600 PLUS core charges of about $800. None of them tell you who makes their parts, it could be China junk for all I know.
Jasper was the most expensive about $4600, but a certified installer is required. Another $2000.
For $6600 plus tax I could add forged rods and pistons to go with my forged crank. Have 11:1 compression and heads ported if I want.
Probably go with stock rebuild though. Only change will be hypernumatic flat top pistons, due to my 7000+ foot elevation.
I figure $400 PISTONS, $600 GASKETS and seals, $1000 for new parts bearings oil pump etc, and $1200 for machine shop.
$3200 and it done my way, no worries about a warranty if something goes wrong it my fault.
Jasper was the most expensive about $4600, but a certified installer is required. Another $2000.
For $6600 plus tax I could add forged rods and pistons to go with my forged crank. Have 11:1 compression and heads ported if I want.
Probably go with stock rebuild though. Only change will be hypernumatic flat top pistons, due to my 7000+ foot elevation.
I figure $400 PISTONS, $600 GASKETS and seals, $1000 for new parts bearings oil pump etc, and $1200 for machine shop.
$3200 and it done my way, no worries about a warranty if something goes wrong it my fault.
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Rock2610D you're spot on with Jasper pricing---talked with one of those certified installers who is also a close friend currently replacing a 5.4 in an Excursion. End cost to owner will be very close to your final estimate. His situation is a bit different as he's a wrench for hire, doing this job for a good customer. Even though he's fully capable of the DIY long block rebuild Jasper et al gives a 3 year 100K mile nationwide warranty which is important to him as well as the Ex owner.
OTOH I fully understand the DIY approach----pride in a finished project is worth a lot of money IMHO. 
Being quick to finish is one thing, knowing how it was done, what parts went in and on and on and on is your perfect solution. Why someone wants to give you or others crap about following one particular direction eludes me too.
Hope to hear of your process including parts used and final cost. I already know that smile that comes across the face first time the starter spins and the ignition catches---the sweet purr of one more job well done!
OTOH I fully understand the DIY approach----pride in a finished project is worth a lot of money IMHO.
Being quick to finish is one thing, knowing how it was done, what parts went in and on and on and on is your perfect solution. Why someone wants to give you or others crap about following one particular direction eludes me too. Hope to hear of your process including parts used and final cost. I already know that smile that comes across the face first time the starter spins and the ignition catches---the sweet purr of one more job well done!
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Giving someone crap?
I just re-read the entire thread and no one was giving anyone any crap.
Except someone gave ME crap about hijacking the thread. Which was kinda stupid because all I did was ask the guy a question (which directly related to his project).
I too enjoy a job well done, and I've rebuilt engines a few times. That's how I actually know the value of having professionals (like Jasper) do such a task.
Except someone gave ME crap about hijacking the thread. Which was kinda stupid because all I did was ask the guy a question (which directly related to his project).
I too enjoy a job well done, and I've rebuilt engines a few times. That's how I actually know the value of having professionals (like Jasper) do such a task.
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Well Ford has new bare blocks for: $861.08...
That's cheaper than having my block cleaned, bored, honed, line honed, and surfaced.
Surfacing 2 each V10 heads is only $95. Cleaning is only $50.
So that's $1066 with tax for a new block and resurfaced clean heads.
For an additional $150 I think I will have the rotating assembly balanced.
That's cheaper than having my block cleaned, bored, honed, line honed, and surfaced.
Surfacing 2 each V10 heads is only $95. Cleaning is only $50.
So that's $1066 with tax for a new block and resurfaced clean heads.
For an additional $150 I think I will have the rotating assembly balanced.
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Rock I'm curious about the new Ford block as opposed to having your existing parts machined. I've always heard at least with cast iron blocks of the past it was almost preferable to have a an older block machined because it was "seasoned", any core shifting would have already been done. Deck surfacing, align boring and cylinder boring would tend to remain more true on the seasoned block.
Are the modular motor blocks less prone to all that shifting etc? If not then buying new Ford parts would be the way to go.
Are the modular motor blocks less prone to all that shifting etc? If not then buying new Ford parts would be the way to go.
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I'm not sure about that stuff. I "assume" a new block will come not needing honing, and will be ready for parts after its degreased.
I also "assume" if I were going to bore and mill a block I would prefer it be a seasoned block. I do not intend to bore or mill a new block.
I don't know much about core shifting. My V10 has over 200,000 on a block that was new at one time. Did it core shift, I don't know. But maybe it's not an issue with today's technology.
I also "assume" if I were going to bore and mill a block I would prefer it be a seasoned block. I do not intend to bore or mill a new block.
I don't know much about core shifting. My V10 has over 200,000 on a block that was new at one time. Did it core shift, I don't know. But maybe it's not an issue with today's technology.
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[QUOTE=rock2610d;15635259]I just bought my second Excursion.
It has 210,000 miles on it. Got it cheap due to a blown up transfer case.
Engine was 3 qts low on oil, and next oil change was scheduled on 8 Aug 15, per sticker. Guess it did not get done due to transfer case.
Did you have some kind of guide book to help you reassemble the engine? I’ve had many people tell me it couldn’t be done—-which is why I’m trying. I have some stuff on the timing chains from Ford, but only could find a vague Hanes manual for the cams and crank. Mine died at 290. Oil pump failure 😕
Shannon
So, I want to rebuild the V10 motor. I don't want a remanufactured one, I don't trust them. I trust my machine shop as I worked with them before. I trust in my ability to assemble the motor too.
What I need is a line on quality parts for a rebuild. Not the POS kits that are offered that don't even tell you who makes the parts in the kit.
I have no issued with buying OEM parts, I just don't know all the parts and pieces to buy and if they are discontinued or not.
Anyone here know a place to
It has 210,000 miles on it. Got it cheap due to a blown up transfer case.
Engine was 3 qts low on oil, and next oil change was scheduled on 8 Aug 15, per sticker. Guess it did not get done due to transfer case.
Did you have some kind of guide book to help you reassemble the engine? I’ve had many people tell me it couldn’t be done—-which is why I’m trying. I have some stuff on the timing chains from Ford, but only could find a vague Hanes manual for the cams and crank. Mine died at 290. Oil pump failure 😕
Shannon
So, I want to rebuild the V10 motor. I don't want a remanufactured one, I don't trust them. I trust my machine shop as I worked with them before. I trust in my ability to assemble the motor too.
What I need is a line on quality parts for a rebuild. Not the POS kits that are offered that don't even tell you who makes the parts in the kit.
I have no issued with buying OEM parts, I just don't know all the parts and pieces to buy and if they are discontinued or not.
Anyone here know a place to
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