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Old Aug 3, 2015 | 10:25 AM
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I swapped out the mastercylinder/power brake booster on my F150 but the braking is still not what I expect. The truck had a disc brake conversion on it when I bought it that was installed by a local repair shop. The pedla move quite a bit before I get any action and I am wondering if I need to install a porportioning valve. It has an old one mounted n the fram but it is not currently "in the system".

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In order to get an accurate feel for where the pedal is really at the back drum brakes should be adjusted out first .. Have you done that ?

 
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Redroad,

Did you notice I mentioned a disc conversion had been installed?

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Old Aug 3, 2015 | 10:50 AM
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Did you notice I mentioned a disc conversion had been installed?

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Sorry I was reading the conversion as single piston to dual piston caliper not rear disc brakes In that case I don't see how anything but an adjustable proportioning valve would be the correct choice ..
 
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Old Aug 3, 2015 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SchwartzStock
I swapped out the mastercylinder/power brake booster on my F150 but the braking is still not what I expect.

The truck had a disc brake conversion on it when I bought it that was installed by a local repair shop.
Impossible!
Your "About Me" profile says 1978 F150. F150's were introduced in 1975.

1975 and newer F150 2WD's and 1976 and newer F150 4WD's came with power front disc brakes as standard equipment!

The problem with the erratic brake pedal movement is: The P/B booster must match the brake pedal, because:

1973/79 F100/350: There are 22 different brake pedals, 19 different power brake boosters, 17 different master cylinders, 7 different clutch pedals, I kid you not!

If you installed the wrong booster, you're going to have brake pedal problems.

Your truck has this, as it was factory installed: D5TZ-2B257-B .. Brake Pressure Differential Valve (some people call this a proportioning valve).

Applications: 1975/79 F100/150 2WD/4WD / 1975/79 F250 2WD with single piston caliper disc brakes / 1976/79 E100/150 & Bronco / 1978/79 F250 4WD / 1979 F350 4WD

Redroad: No F150 prior to 2004 came with dual piston caliper disc brakes, all have single pistons.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2015 | 11:08 AM
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Yes, It has factory power front disc brakes, a rear disc brake conversion was installed. Do I need a porportioning valve to get a good strong pedal?

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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Your "About Me" profile says 1978 F150.

1975 and newer F150 2WD's and 1976 and newer F150 4WD's came with power front disc brakes as standard equipment!

Redroad: No F150 came with dual piston caliper disc brakes, all had single pistons.
I know this one Bill There are some who however have correctly upgraded to dual piston calipers in order to run larger tires ..
 
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Old Aug 3, 2015 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SchwartzStock
Yes, It has factory power front disc brakes, a rear disc brake conversion was installed. Do I need a porportioning valve to get a good strong pedal?

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You need an aftermarket adjustable proportioning valve in order to accurately disperse the braking between front and rear .. There is no OEM proportioning valve that was set up to do this accurately since none were equipped with rear disc brakes .. What does your setup have for an e-brake ?

I swapped out the mastercylinder/power brake booster on my F150 but the braking is still not what I expect.
I think the problem with pedal travel is probably more related to the swap .. The rod between the master cylinder and power booster probably needs to be adjusted to the correct length ..

http://www.fordification.com/tsb/vie....php?f=3&t=536
 
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I believe the conversion is th eone from LMC and the e-brake is the original cable set-up.

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Originally Posted by SchwartzStock
I believe the conversion is th eone from LMC and the e-brake is the original cable set-up.

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So what I see is LMC has some proportioning valve that is likely not a ford part or at least not from the 73-79 era and took it upon themselves to say it works ? Most of the people I know who have done the disc brake conversion have used an aftermarket adjustable proportioning valve ..

Full pedal has more to do with proper brake bleeding to include bench bleeding the master cylinder when installing a new one .. This is assuming you have adjusted rear brakes which you don't have .. if still no full pedal Next you would check the master cylinder to brake booster adjustment rod but this is rarely needed ..
 
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Old Aug 3, 2015 | 05:17 PM
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You will absolutely need an aftermarket (i.e. adjustable) proportioning valve. As mentioned above, it is critical to get the correct amount of braking bias between the front and rear for not only maximum stopping power, but overall safety. If you lock up you front brakes before the rear, you run the risk of understeer (hey that rhymes), if you lock up the rears first, you will be doing 360s in the middle of intersections.
This is one that would work for your needs:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wi...0922/overview/

And here is an article on dialing it in if you've never done it before:
Hydratech Braking Systems - Brake Bias Tech
 
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