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Old Jun 15, 2015 | 10:17 AM
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ECM/PCM question?

Hello All,
I've got a question, hope this is the right section to ask. My 1995 F350 XL with the 5.8L / 351 V8 runs like new with the exception of the RPM's going nuts. Truck idles normally at 850-900 RPM but during normal street / highway driving RPM's spike to around 3000 RPM. The only way to get it normal is to re-start, but that's only temporary before it happens again. I've tried disconnecting the battery over night, then driving 40-50 miles to reset the computer but the problem returns. Anyone else ever experience this? Possible the ECM/PCM is faulty?
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Old Jun 15, 2015 | 11:01 AM
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Get the fault codes from the computer (codes can be present even if your check engine light ain't on) and post them back up here.

Your truck is OBD1 so if the computer thinks all is well you should receive a "System OK" code 11 or 111, if you don't get anything at all then we need to start troubleshooting that first.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2015 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by splinter
during normal street / highway driving RPM's spike to around 3000 RPM.
Going to need some clarification on that.
Are you saying the actual engine rpms spike while driving down the road in gear?
Or are you saying the tachometer alone spikes but the engine appears to remain at normal rpms while driving along in gear?
Or are you saying the tach and/or engine rpms spike while stopped or in neutral after travelling for some time at speed?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2015 | 11:45 AM
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Thanks Dixie and Conanski, Ill try and get those codes to post up here.
To clarify, the engine RPM's will randomly spike while driving in gear as well as when it's in neutral. It's a 5 speed manual. The tach indicates the spikes usually run to 3000-3200 RPM before I shut it down.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2015 | 06:13 PM
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Does the engine it self races up in RPM while in gear? Does it run bad while doing that too?

If it was a automatic tranny, I can see that occuring when a tranny is slipping. But you have a manual tranny, so unless the clutch is wore bone out slipping I'm guessing the tachometer is the problem.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2015 | 09:54 AM
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Hi,
Thanks, but definitely not the clutch or tach. Motor races up to those RPM's wether in neutral or normal driving conditions. Tach is displaying the wide fluctuations
 
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Old Jun 16, 2015 | 10:00 AM
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My truck was doing the exact same thing before I pulled the motor. I told myself it was a large vacuum leak, maybe around the intake manifold. The motor has all new gaskets and is almost ready to go back in. If it still has the racing idle, then I will look at the ecm. Mine used to randomly take off. Could be scary depending on where I was.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2015 | 10:08 AM
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For sure an aggravating problem. My 350's been serviced by a friend that owns a dealership here on Long Island. Reason I'm thinking ECM is because just about every other possibility has been ruled out. Never had to replace one, does anyone know if they can be re-flashed/programmed or best just to order a new one?
 
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Originally Posted by splinter
does anyone know if they can be re-flashed/programmed
No, this vintage PCM cannot be re-programmed or flashed...unless you use an aftermarket Tuner like Moates.

Originally Posted by splinter
best just to order a new one?
There aren't any new ones...they are all remanufactured.


Di you ever pull the codes?
 
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Old Jun 16, 2015 | 11:56 AM
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Thanks, Haven't pulled the codes yet, probably on Saturday
 
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Originally Posted by splinter
To clarify, the engine RPM's will randomly spike while driving in gear as well as when it's in neutral. It's a 5 speed manual.
You have 2 separate problems here.

Engine reving in gear: Basically there is no way this can just happen unless something is slipping, it's just not possible even if the throttle is stuck wide open. I know you said the clutch isn't the problem but that is the most likely culprit, besides that it could be the rear axle but if that were failing the engine should bounce off the rev limiter not just rev to 3000rpm or so.

A high idle in neutral is a separate problem, could be a vacuum or intake leak but could also be a bad TPS or IAC valve, pull codes for sure and post up what you get(exact code numbers).
 
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