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In the 1950's they were all done around the first of the year, but in the 60's and 70's that was moved back to October, where they were introduced at the Paris Auto Show. Then in the 80's it was pushed back to September for the Frankfort auto show, but they also started showing early 'designs' in March at the Geneva show. Part of the reason that the new models started coming out sooner is that they also try to coordinate the release with the new TV season for better ad coverage.
Does anyone know when the glove box plates style was changed? I thought it was in 51, but my truck was built in August and has the old style plate.
In my chassis parts catalog, it clearly states the new 51-52 rating plate replaces the "previous type rating and patent plates approximately September 4, 1951." It was just another running change that may or may not have occurred at the exact same time at all assembly plants.
In my chassis parts catalog, it clearly states the new 51-52 rating plate replaces the "previous type rating and patent plates approximately September 4, 1951." It was just another running change that may or may not have occurred at the exact same time at all assembly plants.
LMC says it was September 16,1951 in their catalog, but they have so many things wrong on that page that I wouldn't trust them. In my database, the earliest I have with the new plate is a 51 F3 that Truckdog has/had built Sept. 10, 1951
I'm surprised that Joe's old-style plate is specific to an F-4 (lower left corner). I have to believe Ford wouldn't just throw away probably thousands of old-style plates, but would just use them up. That might take months at each plant.
On a side note, I think I've seen 4 different ratings for the V8's on these plates, similar on the 6's.
Buried over on the '52 (actually it's a 51) F-3 M-H thread is my question about cowl stampings that actually belongs here. We need input from the experts. We have two 1951 trucks, both M-Hs but different AWD specifications. One is Dave's newly added F-3 with cowl stamping CHG21E37P. The other is Josh's F-2 with cowl stamping CHM9D529E. These trucks have VIN numbers that are pretty close together. Can build dates be determined from the cowl stampings on each? Thx. Stu
Buried over on the '52 (actually it's a 51) F-3 M-H thread is my question about cowl stampings that actually belongs here. We need input from the experts. We have two 1951 trucks, both M-Hs but different AWD specifications. One is Dave's newly added F-3 with cowl stamping CHG21E37P. The other is Josh's F-2 with cowl stamping CHM9D529E. These trucks have VIN numbers that are pretty close together. Can build dates be determined from the cowl stampings on each? Thx. Stu
Stu, if we can get the rest of the info on the trucks here, I will add them to my database.
Regarding these two trucks
CHM9D529E
CH= Chicago
M= Meadow Green
9D= April 9
529E= internal plant code
CHG21E37P
CH= Chicago
G= Sea Island Green
21E= May 21
37P= internal plant code
The truck archeology aspect of this question relates to M-H's rolling change over of their one ton then 3/4 ton AWD designs. The early post war trucks, 1946 to 1951 it appears, were equipped with single speed transfer cases. These were tonner model OT5-4, then the F-2/F-3 model R3-4. In mid 1951 they began migrating the line over to use of two speed transfer cases (F-2/F-3 Model R32-4 then F-250/M254). The numbers on these two trucks support my belief that both models were sold side-by-side for at least part of 1951 although M-H sales literature makes no mention of the R3-4 past 1950.
Josh's F2R1CH20952 is an earlier build than Dave's (casper1999's) F3R1CH25448, yet Josh's is an R32-4 while Dave's is an R3-4. Stu
Joe - please note I edited my typo of the VIN on Dave's truck. It is 25448. Stu
The 51 F2 mentioned above has the old style glove box tag. And either didnt have the firewall tag or is just missing? The truck was apart when i got it. I will have to get one made.
Here is a picture of the glovebox. I couldnt find any original paint in this cab to verify color.
Marmon Herrington axle R-32 136
Ill post the info on the other trucks later so i can collect all the info.
You're missing a letter on the firewall stamping, 21M would be December 21, but it would have to be December of 1950 as December of 51 would have the new rating plate. The serial number is low, so it is possible that it Dec. 50. If it turns out you have another letter between the 21 and the M, then the M would be paint code which would be meadow green. The other place to look would be between the SP and the 21 for a letter. Another possibility, could the 4 actually be an A?
Info on my 51 F-3. Photo of Serial Number on frame may be upside down.
Can't seem to locate other firewall numbers or paint code or transmission info.
Does the Star on the plates indicate a Five Star Cab? I believe my truck is so fitted. It is a late model, parking brake on right of gear shift, had grey headliner with great vinyl on door panels, interior dome light, seat covers appear to be red, though might be faded grey as well.
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