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Old Feb 23, 2015 | 02:39 PM
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Thumbs up thermos bottle

I did not place any absorbent material against the body sheet metal...so any moisture that does collect will either evaporate or drip down to the weep holes as FoMoCo and gravity intended.

All of the insulation I added is more or less within the interior with about a one inch air space all the way around...except for a few places I added radiant barrier up against the sheet metal.

I did not want to place any fiberglass batting or sprayfoam insulation where it could trap moisture against the metal.

So far, no interior rust...although...I do live in a mostly dry area.

 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 08:09 AM
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Welp. Tried to get inside the van to start spraying the surface down and cleaning the dirt last night... by the time I went to wipe with paper towel, it was frozen. Might just powerwash it from the cab out the back or I have to wait until temps get above single digits.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 11:52 AM
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i wonder if the sprayfoam is eating the paint off and leaving the bare metal to be eaten by the condensation
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip1970
i wonder if the sprayfoam is eating the paint off and leaving the bare metal to be eaten by the condensation
That's what I'm wondering.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2015 | 08:28 PM
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That is why I googled the msds sheet.
I couldn't find anything that corrosive
please take a look at them
 
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Old Feb 25, 2015 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Skip1970
i wonder if the sprayfoam is eating the paint off and leaving the bare metal to be eaten by the condensation
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That is why I googled the msds sheet.
I couldn't find anything that corrosive
please take a look at them
MSDS sheets list the chemical components but they can't and don't address how they'll react in situations or applications they were never intended to be used in. As such unless we're chemical engineers knowing the components of spray foam don't necessarily tell us how they'll react to surfaces or materials they weren't designed to be applied over.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2015 | 07:41 AM
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Arrow rubbing

Originally Posted by Skip1970
i wonder if the sprayfoam is eating the paint off and leaving the bare metal to be eaten by the condensation
Or...could it be the mechanical interaction between something thats a bit like a sanding block (the hardened foam), rubbing against the vehicle paint for thousands of miles as the van bumps down the road? And heating and cooling expansion/contraction? There will always be some relative movement between the hardened foam and the exterior sheetmetal. Add in some condensation in those areas...and bad news.

Just a possibility....my 2 cents.
 
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Old Feb 25, 2015 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JWA
MSDS sheets list the chemical components but they can't and don't address how they'll react in situations or applications they were never intended to be used in. As such unless we're chemical engineers knowing the components of spray foam don't necessarily tell us how they'll react to surfaces or materials they weren't designed to be applied over.
Just for kicks I did google the chemicals to see if any were corrosive.
I was just looking for the obvious.......
 
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Old Feb 25, 2015 | 11:25 PM
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could put plastic sheetingagainst metal then sprayfoam that.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2015 | 07:00 AM
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could put plastic sheetingagainst metal then sprayfoam that.
There's a million things we could do but why over complicate something just to use one product that's not compatible with the project?

By the time we spread plastic sheeting we could have applied the radiant barrier insulation after which fiberglass bats or foam boards cut and fitted to the spaces behind what would be interior walls.

FWIW the radiant barrier material is the only insulation inside a decommissioned 2000 E250--a former work truck. Nothing more than a double layer on the side walls, lower cavities filled with fiberglass. (There is a raised fiberglass roof, heavily insulted with fiberglass bats.)

With a 60,000 BTU aftermarket rear heater the cargo area was easily heated to 65* while parked and idling during a job. I mention this only to show the radiant barrier stuff does quite well by itself.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2015 | 10:20 AM
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I'm thinking I'll do the radiant barrier and Styrofoam boards.
 
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Old Feb 26, 2015 | 11:07 AM
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Thumbs up packing heat

Originally Posted by Skip1970
could put plastic sheetingagainst metal then sprayfoam that.
If there is repetitive, relative movement and friction between the hardened sprayfoam and the body sheetmetal, the plastic will quickly wear through. Besides, the inevitable folds and wrinkles in the plastic will probably trap moisture...back to square one!

I agree with JWA....keep sprayfoam where it belongs, in buildings and houses and sheds..not moving vehicles.

 
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Old Feb 26, 2015 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JWA
There's a million things we could do but why over complicate something just to use one product that's not compatible with the project?

By the time we spread plastic sheeting we could have applied the radiant barrier insulation after which fiberglass bats or foam boards cut and fitted to the spaces behind what would be interior walls.

FWIW the radiant barrier material is the only insulation inside a decommissioned 2000 E250--a former work truck. Nothing more than a double layer on the side walls, lower cavities filled with fiberglass. (There is a raised fiberglass roof, heavily insulted with fiberglass bats.)

With a 60,000 BTU aftermarket rear heater the cargo area was easily heated to 65* while parked and idling during a job. I mention this only to show the radiant barrier stuff does quite well by itself.
No , it has to survive re-entry from the space station
 
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Old Feb 28, 2015 | 07:18 AM
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No , it has to survive re-entry from the space station
Well dammit VetTex---that's the one factor I never considered!

That's a wise choice WiskeyVI!
 
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