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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 04:14 PM
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EFI 302

My buddy has an EFI 302 for sale....not familiar with what it would take to put one of these newer motors in an old pickup. My 240 is a little anemic for my taste although it is a damn good motor. So the big question is...what does it take to install a fuel injected motor into a carberueted setup?
 
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 05:51 PM
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My buddy has an EFI 302 for sale....not familiar with what it would take to put one of these newer motors in an old pickup. My 240 is a little anemic for my taste although it is a damn good motor. So the big question is...what does it take to install a fuel injected motor into a carberueted setup?
It will be easier to do a swap like this IF you can find a wrecked/totaled donor vehicle to get ALL the needed parts from. Piece-mealing from multiple vehicles/sources will make the swap more difficult.

Not all Ford EFI engines are created equal. An EFI 5.0L engine from a Crown Vic, for example, isn't going to have a roller cam or forged pistons but, an EFI 5.0L H.O. engine from a Fox Mustang, T-Bird, Cougar XR-7 will. '87-90 Lincoln Mk VIIs had H.O. 5.0L engines but, none of them came with Mass Air EEC-IV engine processors. They were all Speed Density controlled. --although, Speed Density control can be converted to Mass Air control.

The Mustangs went from Speed Density to Mass Air engine control in 1989 (except California built Mustangs. They had Mass Air in 1988). Mass Air systems are better than Speed Density.

If you're unfamiliar with Ford EFI systems/engines, you will need to do a lot of research/studying to find all the answers you seek. It's really not a difficult swap. It just takes some understanding of what the parts are, what they do and how they relate to each other and then installing the engine and EFI components.

This is a 5.0L engine I pulled from a totaled '90 Mustang GT a number of years ago. I bought the GT-40 tubular intake, Cobra 24 lb/hr injectors (stock were 19 lb/hr). I have a 73mm C&L Vortec Mass Air Meter, 70mm Edelbrock throttle body and an A9P Ford EEC-IV Mass Air engine processor for an automatic transmission.

Eventually this H.O. 5.0L engine's parts will get bead blasted and painted (or powder coated), the engine rebuilt and it will replace the 240 currently in my '69 F100.

 
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 07:37 PM
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About $2500 with a self-learning TBI system from MSD, QuickFuel, Holley, or Edelbrock!.. each can support up to 500 HP or more.
 
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About $2500 with a self-learning TBI system from MSD, QuickFuel, Holley, or Edelbrock!.. each can support up to 500 HP or more.
On the other side of the spectrum, I bought a totaled '90 Mustang GT. The body was pretty much destroyed but, I drove the Mustang up on the trailer, took it home, drove the Mustang off the trailer and into the shop and stripped everything off of it I needed and scrapped the hull.

This included the (running) engine complete with all front dress accessories, all sensors, wiring, A9L EEC-IV processor, cruise control servo/control module assembly, T-5 5-spd. manual overdrive transmission, etc. I gave the guy $500.00 dollars for the Mustang GT. Just the engine alone, from a wrecking yard, would be about this much so, I made out pretty good.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 09:08 PM
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EFI 5.0/5.8 engines are a great swap. They drive better than carb and don't have any of the downfalls. Plus, you will get better MPG/power from direct injection.


I agree that a better way would be to buy a complete vehicle. Wrecks are great. F-150, mustang, bronco, 87-96. The only problem becomes all the new wiring and computers.
 
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraranger
On the other side of the spectrum, I bought a totaled '90 Mustang GT. The body was pretty much destroyed but, I dove the Mustang up on the trailer, took it home, drove the Mustang off the trailer and into the shop and stripped everything off of it I needed and scrapped the hull.

This included the (running) engine complete with all front dress accessories, all sensors, wiring, A9L EEC-IV processor, cruise control servo/control module assembly, T-5 5-spd. manual overdrive transmission, etc. I gave the guy $500.00 dollars for the Mustang GT. Just the engine alone, from a wrecking yard, would be about this much so, I made out pretty good.
I'm getting my 302/aod from a guy who is swapping a 351/5spd in it's place. All accessories and wiring for 300$. Not too bad. I believe it's an 87 or 88 out of a fox body
 
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Originally Posted by ultraranger
On the other side of the spectrum, I bought a totaled '90 Mustang GT. The body was pretty much destroyed but, I dove the Mustang up on the trailer, took it home, drove the Mustang off the trailer and into the shop and stripped everything off of it I needed and scrapped the hull.

This included the (running) engine complete with all front dress accessories, all sensors, wiring, A9L EEC-IV processor, cruise control servo/control module assembly, T-5 5-spd. manual overdrive transmission, etc. I gave the guy $500.00 dollars for the Mustang GT. Just the engine alone, from a wrecking yard, would be about this much so, I made out pretty good.
Very good deal.

I wish I had the space and would do the same. For my situation, aftermarket was the way to go. Have you ever noticed my driveway?? Cuz if it's not running.. it ain't coming up into the garage or side yard. IT TOTALLY SUCKS!!!!

Recently I thought about buying a house in the flatter portions of my subdivision just for a place to work on and store my cars and trucks!
 
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Originally Posted by ColeT24
I'm getting my 302/aod from a guy who is swapping a 351/5spd in it's place. All accessories and wiring for 300$. Not too bad. I believe it's an 87 or 88 out of a fox body
Running engine/transmission with all accessories for $300?!?!? That's a steal!!!!
 
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 351Cleveland C4
EFI 5.0/5.8 engines are a great swap. They drive better than carb and don't have any of the downfalls. Plus, you will get better MPG/power from direct injection.


I agree that a better way would be to buy a complete vehicle. Wrecks are great. F-150, mustang, bronco, 87-96. The only problem becomes all the new wiring and computers.
--I would really like to find a complete '93-'95 5.8L Ford F150 Lightning fuel injected engine to install in my truck.

Although, I do have a very early '70s 351W and a couple of 5.8L GT-40 EFI lower intakes. I could just take the upper EFI induction components from the 5.0L engine, swap them over onto the 351W and it would be fuel injected.
 
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Originally Posted by 351Cleveland C4
Running engine/transmission with all accessories for $300?!?!? That's a steal!!!!
Actually only downside is the transmission has no reverse. There's always a catch hahaha
 
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Old Feb 4, 2015 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ultraranger
--I would really like to find a complete '93-'95 5.8L Ford F150 Lightning fuel injected engine to install in my truck.

Although, I do have a very early '70s 351W and a couple of 5.8L GT-40 EFI lower intakes. I could just take the upper EFI induction components from the 5.0L engine, swap them over onto the 351W and it would be fuel injected.
The F-150 Lightning idea would be interesting. It would definitely be a fast truck, only problem would be finding one! Seems regular 351w are hard to find around where I live.
 
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AOD is easy to rebuild. It's a lot like the old FMX. Your definitely gonna want a shift kit
 
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Originally Posted by HIO Silver
Very good deal.

I wish I had the space and would do the same. For my situation, aftermarket was the way to go. Have you ever noticed my driveway?? Cuz if it's not running.. it ain't coming up into the garage or side yard. IT TOTALLY SUCKS!!!!

Recently I thought about buying a house in the flatter portions of my subdivision just for a place to work on and store my cars and trucks!
My shop is 30' x 30' with a 12' ceiling and two bays with overhead doors and, I have a lean-to on the back, about 8' wide with a concrete floor and enclosed with chain link fencing, running the full 30' length of the shop.

With a '68 Mustang stripped down to the bare hull on a rotisserie on one side of the shop and the current projects I have going on with my truck, it's crowded and CLUTTERED in there, right now.

IF you ever build a shop, make it at least half again bigger than what you think you need. After you start putting tool boxes, welders, shop equipment, etc. in there, floor space rapidly disappears. --start taking body panels off of a vehicle and space really gets reduced.

Crowded or not though, I'm thankful I do have a place to keep my tools and project vehicles out of the weather while I work on them.
 
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Originally Posted by 351Cleveland C4
AOD is easy to rebuild. It's a lot like the old FMX. Your definitely gonna want a shift kit
Ya, I've heard the AOD was pretty good at power robbing and is more of a cruiser 4spd in stock form
 
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I'm getting my 302/aod from a guy who is swapping a 351/5spd in it's place. All accessories and wiring for 300$. Not too bad. I believe it's an 87 or 88 out of a fox body
An '89-'93 5.0L Mustang engine would be better but, as I mentioned earlier, a Speed Density 5.0L can be converted to Mass Air.

Speed Density processors don't like changes to the induction, exhaust or cam and will cause problems. However, Mass Air will easily handle ANY changes you make to the engine.
 
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