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Old Jan 19, 2015 | 11:49 PM
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I'm looking at buying a DP F6 for my truck and will be buying gauges at the same time. Is there any reason why I cant use my current edge evolution tuner set to stock as a gauge set up and buy other gauges to monitor some other vitals? The edge will have the trans temp, pyro, and engine oil temp with a fourth. The gauge pod will have a boost and 3 other spaces.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2015 | 08:21 AM
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Pyro(s) and fuel pressure don't exist on the truck, yet those are really good to have. The rest can be done on the OBDII, but you'll need a boost fooler with DP - so a boost gauge is on the list.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2015 | 12:09 PM
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My Edge has a pyro probe already. So I should have a boost and fuel pressure gauge, any other important ones. I plan on getting the quad overhead pod.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2015 | 05:31 PM
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My Edge has a pyro probe already. So I should have a boost and fuel pressure gauge, any other important ones. I plan on getting the quad overhead pod.
Technology allows us to monitor just about everything and some systems have the ability to automatically Scroll as well as Alarm Pre-Set Functions to alert the Operator. Furthermore, Bluetooth allows the use of portable devices for this with software.

Oil Temp - PCM
EGT - Pyrometer
Trans Temp - PCM
Coolant Temp - PCM (Manual Trans) Temp Transducer (Automatic Trans)
Voltage - PCM
AMP's - Gauge
Boost - PCM via MAP
ICP - PCM
IPR - PMC
Duty Cycle -PCM
Oil Pressure - Pressure Transducer
H.P.O.P. Pressure - Pressure Transducer
Turbo Temperature - Pyrometer / Temp Transducer
Fuel Pressure - Pressure Transducer

With a Quad Setup, I would say I would be more interested in monitoring these four parameters:

Oil Temp
EGT
Trans Temp
Coolant Temp
 
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Old Jan 20, 2015 | 07:31 PM
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I guess I need to clarify. My edge will have engine oil temp, trans oil temp and pyro with space for one more. I also plan on buying a quad over head pod that will have a boost and fuel pressure gauge. Are there any 2 other important gauges I should get for the pod? Will it be ok to still use the edge in stock mode as a gauge cluster with the DP chip in place?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 06:53 AM
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Engine Coolant Temperature does not work on the OBDII port with an Automatic, you might want to get a gauge for that - but I wouldn't. EOT is good enough for me, and it seems near impossible to overheat these trucks.

The rear differential gets up to about 150 degrees F, you can get a gauge for that. I wouldn't.

LPOP pressure would be a good one, this "Yup, it's workin' - take my word for it" concept bothers me. I like this one.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 07:22 AM
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Engine Coolant Temperature does not work on the OBDII port with an Automatic, you might want to get a gauge for that - but I wouldn't. EOT is good enough for me, and it seems near impossible to overheat these trucks.

The rear differential gets up to about 150 degrees F, you can get a gauge for that. I wouldn't.

LPOP pressure would be a good one, this "Yup, it's workin' - take my word for it" concept bothers me. I like this one.
Correct on the Auto Trans Coolant Temp - He would have to add a Trans Coolant Transducer to accurately monitor on an electronic gauge or use a thermocouple expansion tube.

Post the picture you have of your tablet showing gauges so he can have a look-see at the Technology side of it. That's pretty cool
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 07:57 AM
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I assume you mean this one:

 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 09:12 AM
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In addition to the ones you plan on installing, I like the HPOP (ICP) gauge - mostly during towing.......
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 03:12 PM
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ICP - that would be the top left gauge on my tablet.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 03:27 PM
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Is the purpose of the ICP gauge to make sure that the HPOP is supplying the necessary oil to the injectors? What should the pressure range be?
 
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Is the purpose of the ICP gauge to make sure that the HPOP is supplying the necessary oil to the injectors?
Yes , I mostly used this while towing. See in real time which programs the stock HPOP in my F-250 was able to keep up with. I liked it because I could see it without having to datalog, then go back and review the data.


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What should the pressure range be?
The DiPricol gauge I have goes up to 4000 psi but my programs wouldn't ask for more than @ 3100-3200.



unfortunately after 7-8 years my gauge is on the fritz and DiPricol is no longer around. Shame, they matched the stock gauges nicely.

Looking at the one ISSPRO offers to replace it:

HPOP Pressure 0-4000 PSI EV² - Riffraff Diesel Performance




Rich's way is probably more cost effective than paying for a single gauge though.
 
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My thinking: Ford put some damn fine sensors in the truck, then engineered/built a way to monitor them all and put them on a communications network. It seems a shame to ignore that expensive ICP sensor, only to go through the hassle of installing a whole gauge assembly of equal price. The price of two gauges will buy the Nexus 7 2013 tablet, and the price of a third gauge will buy the OBDLink MX OBDII adapter. Tablet and OBDII adapter gives me a whole pile of gauges, compared to the three on the dash.

Boost is on the tablet (up to about 32 PSI).
ICP is on the tablet (4000 is about max)

IPR is crucial with ICP - and I can't stress this enough. As our trucks age, I've found that IPR/ICP combination to be the crystal ball of the 7.3L. The ICP/IPR combination doesn't do a lot of good on a gauge set, but they are invaluable in logged data. I say this from experience. I have them as gauges on the tablet, and the tablet is logging as I drive - it's the log, guys.

My four gauges (sort of): Dual pyros (the left two gauges), Fuel Pressure, and Boost (the single right gauge). I have a switch that allows me to go back and forth between Boost and FP on the same ISSPRO EV2 gauge. The only reason I have a boost gauge is because I exceed the MAP sensor limit, so I have a boost fooler to protect the MAP sensor. This makes the MAP PID useless for big boost, but good for a detailed view of boost at lower power.
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 08:10 PM
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Looks like RiffRaff will be getting an order before too long then. Boost, Fuel Pressure, HPOP, and LPOP, along with the DP chip. Anything I'm missing or should know for future reference?
 
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Old Jan 21, 2015 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Eaglescout94
Looks like RiffRaff will be getting an order before too long then. Boost, Fuel Pressure, HPOP, and LPOP, along with the DP chip. Anything I'm missing or should know for future reference?
Radar detector…who can see the road with all that going on..ha ha…I am distracted from my little 3 gauge pod, let alone the Tug's configuration…Impressive though, and useful
 
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