RUBY Mods-What to do--Need Input
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RUBY Mods-What to do--Need Input
Alright dudes, needing some input here for the winter/spring mods. I know I have friends here I can bug through texting, but I need/want general consensus input. The plan: to do Stage 1s, T500, and some sort of turbo upgrade. I can't afford to an S366 with a mount nor do I have the time/ability to fab my own stuff right now. So, my thought is maybe this...
Stage 1s
T500
1.0 housing from Riffraff
Delete pedestal
I am thinking the turbo because I have a pedestal O-ring leak to fix that is progressively getting worse and I have to address it no matter what. I am not sure if I missed anything. What say you?
This will give me enough power, but just not sure about the 1.0 housing or if anyone else has done it. Clay thinks it will work just fine. I don't plan on inter-cooling anytime soon either. $$ and time limit that endeavor.
Stage 1s
T500
1.0 housing from Riffraff
Delete pedestal
I am thinking the turbo because I have a pedestal O-ring leak to fix that is progressively getting worse and I have to address it no matter what. I am not sure if I missed anything. What say you?
This will give me enough power, but just not sure about the 1.0 housing or if anyone else has done it. Clay thinks it will work just fine. I don't plan on inter-cooling anytime soon either. $$ and time limit that endeavor.
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I'm afraid them stage ones will be pretty hot without an intercooler towing your camper. If I were you I'd try and collect parts to do a diy IC and con Travis into helping you some weekend! I know you said you don't have a lot of extra money, but I'm afraid you will be extremely limited by egt's towing. JMO of course.
A member (Chris) from Wyoming had that smaller housing on his truck and liked it a lot towing, until his NEW turbo went out with not many miles on it, he has stock injectors in his truck. Glenn also had issues with that smaller housing towing iirc. Just something to think about.
A member (Chris) from Wyoming had that smaller housing on his truck and liked it a lot towing, until his NEW turbo went out with not many miles on it, he has stock injectors in his truck. Glenn also had issues with that smaller housing towing iirc. Just something to think about.
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I'm afraid them stage ones will be pretty hot without an intercooler towing your camper. If I were you I'd try and collect parts to do a diy IC and con Travis into helping you some weekend! I know you said you don't have a lot of extra money, but I'm afraid you will be extremely limited by egt's towing. JMO of course. A member (Chris) from Wyoming had that smaller housing on his truck and liked it a lot towing, until his NEW turbo went out with not many miles on it, he has stock injectors in his truck. Glenn also had issues with that smaller housing towing iirc. Just something to think about.
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Are you going rebuilt injectors. Reason I ask is if Jim is doing them then stage ones are the same cost. You could keep your tunes and it should run the same as it is now ish. In the future when funds are a little more accessible do the ic. If your planning on keeping the truck you may as well give it some kick. You've got almost all the supporting mods anyway
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My experience....... I have a 97 cclb 5 spd.... t500, Rosewood stage 1s, TS 6 position chip with TW tunes, water/meth injection.... this last spring I intercooled it with an all aluminum 7.3 intercooler. While hauling my fifth wheel camper that weighs around 8000 lbs. in these West Virginia hills, I still battle high egts.... I believe I have some bad o-ring on my injectors, but that shouldn't cause it? If I tow in my economy tune and spray pure water (no alcohol), EGTs are managable if I watch it...... anything more and the egts go thru the roof. I have lots of power that I can't use towing because of high egts.
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I believe I would do stage ones ,t500....and plan on ic and different turbo later.
Turbo...well,I'm not too sure..s366,d66 ,h2e...
Just have to be careful towing.
You are going to be fairly stationary for a while while in school i would guess??
Turbo...well,I'm not too sure..s366,d66 ,h2e...
Just have to be careful towing.
You are going to be fairly stationary for a while while in school i would guess??
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It took me since I joined here to get my truck where it is today. 5+ years of some work each year.
Dually, you'll fight them egt's unless you put a bigger turbo on. Been there. Last year I was almost able to completely control my egt's, and now this year will be better, according to my test runs before the snow flew. New wheel in my turbo, and custom tunes to actually match my setup for the first time. According to my test runs I should be able to tow in my 140 tune and not lift for egt's anymore. I hope so, that's been my goal.
Byron, I just think you will be so limited by egt's without an IC you won't be able to use hardly any of your power. Don't mean to be a downer, but I've been through lots of steps putting mine together, and even with the IC I had a hard time controlling egt's with the stock turbo. Of course like I said, I like to tow in the 140 tune and it will be hotter.
Not trying to talk you out of stage ones, I LOVE mine, but be prepared for more supporting mods.
Dually, you'll fight them egt's unless you put a bigger turbo on. Been there. Last year I was almost able to completely control my egt's, and now this year will be better, according to my test runs before the snow flew. New wheel in my turbo, and custom tunes to actually match my setup for the first time. According to my test runs I should be able to tow in my 140 tune and not lift for egt's anymore. I hope so, that's been my goal.
Byron, I just think you will be so limited by egt's without an IC you won't be able to use hardly any of your power. Don't mean to be a downer, but I've been through lots of steps putting mine together, and even with the IC I had a hard time controlling egt's with the stock turbo. Of course like I said, I like to tow in the 140 tune and it will be hotter.
Not trying to talk you out of stage ones, I LOVE mine, but be prepared for more supporting mods.
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glovemaster has an ATS intercooler kit for sale. He has some gauges for sale in the classifieds here, the IC kit isnt listed but he has it...
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...th-gauges.html
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I don't know what to say Bryon. I've done so many different things but my EGT's are still high. My latest tunes they are better but I can still get them way up there. I think I'm going with a better IC so mine is ....... I've got the II's but it seems like Darin's EGT's are much better. I wish there was a magic formula!
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I don't know what to say Bryon. I've done so many different things but my EGT's are still high. My latest tunes they are better but I can still get them way up there. I think I'm going with a better IC so mine is ....... I've got the II's but it seems like Darin's EGT's are much better. I wish there was a magic formula!
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We use water to air on some competition trucks, but on a competition only truck we use an ice box instead of a radiator. So ice cools the water and we don't need to mount a water radiator. Also since the water is so much colder in this application than it would be with just a radiator, the IC cools the air charge quite a bit better. You can't do this on a street truck, obviously, since the ice melts off pretty quick as the water heats up.
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The problem with water/air is that it takes up a lot more space and requires you to mount not only and IC and pipes, but also a water radiator, electric water pump, and lines for all of it. Its a great idea, but tough to fit it all on an OBS.
We use water to air on some competition trucks, but on a competition only truck we use an ice box instead of a radiator. So ice cools the water and we don't need to mount a water radiator. Also since the water is so much colder in this application than it would be with just a radiator, the IC cools the air charge quite a bit better. You can't do this on a street truck, obviously, since the ice melts off pretty quick as the water heats up.
We use water to air on some competition trucks, but on a competition only truck we use an ice box instead of a radiator. So ice cools the water and we don't need to mount a water radiator. Also since the water is so much colder in this application than it would be with just a radiator, the IC cools the air charge quite a bit better. You can't do this on a street truck, obviously, since the ice melts off pretty quick as the water heats up.
Wow, I was just thinking that I could use the port in my radiator for the tranny cooler, run a pump to that, and pump coolant to the AWC, and have it circulate back through a water cooler post cooler, and then back to the radiator. The coolant going back into the radiator would be cooler, and thus engine temps would be lower as well right?
I wonder though if you could use a standalone electric AC pump to circulate freon to the water cooler, and then you wouldn't need the ice box. I realize with IC piping, space would be an issue, but it would be neat to see it done.
I've seen some AWC coolers that look to be about the same size as a regular FMIC, if not a bit smaller.
It's just a thought, not like I was really going to do it, since I don't have the time to engineer it, and just go with a regular FMIC.