Temporary no-start
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Temporary no-start
So, decided to take a quick 50 mile trip to the local base last weekend to fill up and do some shopping. It’s a 2005 model F250. For a quick trip you don’t need tools and scanner, right? Filled up with nearly 30 gall when I got there and drove ½ mile to the mall. Came out 30min later and it wouldn’t start.
Tried a few long, long cranks but nothing. Could hear the injectors and HFCM and low pressure oil was quick to build. I pulled some fuel from the water drain but it smelt OK, and nothing looked strange under the hood. Only thing I noticed on the long cranks was the ABS lamp would sometimes light for a short while – with my mini that means the battery is flat, but it was cranking quickly and the batteries are 1 year old.
Got recovery insurance so called them out and walked to the front gate to let them in. After an hour he got there and we had a look at the diesel – it’s dyed a different color to the German stuff but was OK.
Then we had a go at starting it – and it started right up, idled smoothly for 20mins, and then I drove home, no problems. Since then I did a 3-day business trip through Germany Belgium and Holland, about 600 miles in all and zero problems. It did 16mpg at 70mph which is about the best I’ve managed.
I suspect there was some air somewhere, but anyone know anything more definite? Thanks for any hints
Tried a few long, long cranks but nothing. Could hear the injectors and HFCM and low pressure oil was quick to build. I pulled some fuel from the water drain but it smelt OK, and nothing looked strange under the hood. Only thing I noticed on the long cranks was the ABS lamp would sometimes light for a short while – with my mini that means the battery is flat, but it was cranking quickly and the batteries are 1 year old.
Got recovery insurance so called them out and walked to the front gate to let them in. After an hour he got there and we had a look at the diesel – it’s dyed a different color to the German stuff but was OK.
Then we had a go at starting it – and it started right up, idled smoothly for 20mins, and then I drove home, no problems. Since then I did a 3-day business trip through Germany Belgium and Holland, about 600 miles in all and zero problems. It did 16mpg at 70mph which is about the best I’ve managed.
I suspect there was some air somewhere, but anyone know anything more definite? Thanks for any hints
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So, decided to take a quick 50 mile trip to the local base last weekend to fill up and do some shopping. It’s a 2005 model F250. For a quick trip you don’t need tools and scanner, right? Filled up with nearly 30 gall when I got there and drove ½ mile to the mall. Came out 30min later and it wouldn’t start.
Tried a few long, long cranks but nothing. Could hear the injectors and HFCM and low pressure oil was quick to build. I pulled some fuel from the water drain but it smelt OK, and nothing looked strange under the hood. Only thing I noticed on the long cranks was the ABS lamp would sometimes light for a short while – with my mini that means the battery is flat, but it was cranking quickly and the batteries are 1 year old.
Got recovery insurance so called them out and walked to the front gate to let them in. After an hour he got there and we had a look at the diesel – it’s dyed a different color to the German stuff but was OK.
Then we had a go at starting it – and it started right up, idled smoothly for 20mins, and then I drove home, no problems. Since then I did a 3-day business trip through Germany Belgium and Holland, about 600 miles in all and zero problems. It did 16mpg at 70mph which is about the best I’ve managed.
I suspect there was some air somewhere, but anyone know anything more definite? Thanks for any hints
Tried a few long, long cranks but nothing. Could hear the injectors and HFCM and low pressure oil was quick to build. I pulled some fuel from the water drain but it smelt OK, and nothing looked strange under the hood. Only thing I noticed on the long cranks was the ABS lamp would sometimes light for a short while – with my mini that means the battery is flat, but it was cranking quickly and the batteries are 1 year old.
Got recovery insurance so called them out and walked to the front gate to let them in. After an hour he got there and we had a look at the diesel – it’s dyed a different color to the German stuff but was OK.
Then we had a go at starting it – and it started right up, idled smoothly for 20mins, and then I drove home, no problems. Since then I did a 3-day business trip through Germany Belgium and Holland, about 600 miles in all and zero problems. It did 16mpg at 70mph which is about the best I’ve managed.
I suspect there was some air somewhere, but anyone know anything more definite? Thanks for any hints
But I would like to get Euroman on the map if he is OK with that.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...forum-map.html
Send me a PM with an address that you use with any Google account and
I'll send you back an invite. Most just drop the pin on there town. I don't
recommend using a home address but just a town.
BTW how much are you having to pay for diesel?
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How do you think the air got in - maybe during refueling? I've got to say changing both filters didn't cause a problem like this but you're right, no dramas since then certainly makes it look like air.
@Yahiko I'll send a PM in a minute. Diesel's really cheap in Germany at the mo, saw it $6 a gallon today, down from $7.50 a year ago. Base price is $3.91 this week, so a bit more reasonable.
@Yahiko I'll send a PM in a minute. Diesel's really cheap in Germany at the mo, saw it $6 a gallon today, down from $7.50 a year ago. Base price is $3.91 this week, so a bit more reasonable.
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Well, it's started again. Saturday drove down to the base, stopped for 2 minutes for the security inspection and it wouldn't start. waited 1hr then all OK.
Yesterday drove 200 miles up to Den Haag, stopping twice on the way. 500m from the hotel the engine died at some lights, but started again no problem. never done that before.
Unload at the hotel, go to park up, long crank, no joy. Getting used to this so I leave it 20min, try again, no joy. Go for a meal with my guys, come back after 90min, again no joy. Never done that before so I bring the laptop down, connect it and have a look using the Forscan software.
Following codes come up:
P0470-60
P0611-60
P2291-60
B1352-60
U1900-20
B1360-20
Reset, try again, and the first 4 codes return. Do the KOEO tests and they pass. Look at the wiring and see that the EBP cabling is rubbing, so sort that even though it looks OK, but still no joy. Set up some of the monitors. KOEO shows MAP 101, BARO 100, EBP 122 - is that good?
Crank again, ICP is directly over 700, FICM never drops below 47.5, but it seems to me like I'm getting no fuel. Check the water drain and get good clean fuel out. By this time its getting on for 11 in the evening so I call it a day.
06:38 this morning one of my guys hears the truck firing up - fires up directly and wakes him even though he's 4 floors up. I take it around the block to give a bit back to the batteries. 1hr later I fire it up again and take it 45mins to work without missing a beat.
Any ideas? The fact that it's not reliable and I don't know the cause is driving me wild - wife is less than impressed too. Should I keep looking at the fuel side, or can someone spot the problem?
Yesterday drove 200 miles up to Den Haag, stopping twice on the way. 500m from the hotel the engine died at some lights, but started again no problem. never done that before.
Unload at the hotel, go to park up, long crank, no joy. Getting used to this so I leave it 20min, try again, no joy. Go for a meal with my guys, come back after 90min, again no joy. Never done that before so I bring the laptop down, connect it and have a look using the Forscan software.
Following codes come up:
P0470-60
P0611-60
P2291-60
B1352-60
U1900-20
B1360-20
Reset, try again, and the first 4 codes return. Do the KOEO tests and they pass. Look at the wiring and see that the EBP cabling is rubbing, so sort that even though it looks OK, but still no joy. Set up some of the monitors. KOEO shows MAP 101, BARO 100, EBP 122 - is that good?
Crank again, ICP is directly over 700, FICM never drops below 47.5, but it seems to me like I'm getting no fuel. Check the water drain and get good clean fuel out. By this time its getting on for 11 in the evening so I call it a day.
06:38 this morning one of my guys hears the truck firing up - fires up directly and wakes him even though he's 4 floors up. I take it around the block to give a bit back to the batteries. 1hr later I fire it up again and take it 45mins to work without missing a beat.
Any ideas? The fact that it's not reliable and I don't know the cause is driving me wild - wife is less than impressed too. Should I keep looking at the fuel side, or can someone spot the problem?
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This could be a lot of things and being intermitant you will have to catch it in the act. Check the HPoil system for leaks run the air test in the tech folder.
Watch live data while cranking; ICP reaching and staying above 500 psi.
Watch if you loose sync either one or both.
See if you loose fuel pressure.
May take a while you have to monitor untill the event happens.
Watch live data while cranking; ICP reaching and staying above 500 psi.
Watch if you loose sync either one or both.
See if you loose fuel pressure.
May take a while you have to monitor untill the event happens.
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Well, it's started again. Saturday drove down to the base, stopped for 2 minutes for the security inspection and it wouldn't start. waited 1hr then all OK.
Yesterday drove 200 miles up to Den Haag, stopping twice on the way. 500m from the hotel the engine died at some lights, but started again no problem. never done that before.
Unload at the hotel, go to park up, long crank, no joy. Getting used to this so I leave it 20min, try again, no joy. Go for a meal with my guys, come back after 90min, again no joy. Never done that before so I bring the laptop down, connect it and have a look using the Forscan software.
Following codes come up:
P0470-60
P0611-60
P2291-60
B1352-60
U1900-20
B1360-20
Reset, try again, and the first 4 codes return. Do the KOEO tests and they pass. Look at the wiring and see that the EBP cabling is rubbing, so sort that even though it looks OK, but still no joy. Set up some of the monitors. KOEO shows MAP 101, BARO 100, EBP 122 - is that good?
Crank again, ICP is directly over 700, FICM never drops below 47.5, but it seems to me like I'm getting no fuel. Check the water drain and get good clean fuel out. By this time its getting on for 11 in the evening so I call it a day.
06:38 this morning one of my guys hears the truck firing up - fires up directly and wakes him even though he's 4 floors up. I take it around the block to give a bit back to the batteries. 1hr later I fire it up again and take it 45mins to work without missing a beat.
Any ideas? The fact that it's not reliable and I don't know the cause is driving me wild - wife is less than impressed too. Should I keep looking at the fuel side, or can someone spot the problem?
Yesterday drove 200 miles up to Den Haag, stopping twice on the way. 500m from the hotel the engine died at some lights, but started again no problem. never done that before.
Unload at the hotel, go to park up, long crank, no joy. Getting used to this so I leave it 20min, try again, no joy. Go for a meal with my guys, come back after 90min, again no joy. Never done that before so I bring the laptop down, connect it and have a look using the Forscan software.
Following codes come up:
P0470-60
P0611-60
P2291-60
B1352-60
U1900-20
B1360-20
Reset, try again, and the first 4 codes return. Do the KOEO tests and they pass. Look at the wiring and see that the EBP cabling is rubbing, so sort that even though it looks OK, but still no joy. Set up some of the monitors. KOEO shows MAP 101, BARO 100, EBP 122 - is that good?
Crank again, ICP is directly over 700, FICM never drops below 47.5, but it seems to me like I'm getting no fuel. Check the water drain and get good clean fuel out. By this time its getting on for 11 in the evening so I call it a day.
06:38 this morning one of my guys hears the truck firing up - fires up directly and wakes him even though he's 4 floors up. I take it around the block to give a bit back to the batteries. 1hr later I fire it up again and take it 45mins to work without missing a beat.
Any ideas? The fact that it's not reliable and I don't know the cause is driving me wild - wife is less than impressed too. Should I keep looking at the fuel side, or can someone spot the problem?
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you're right it might take a while to track down - just driven back 200 miles, no problem.
FICM voltage and ICP both good when cranking (whether it starts or not), so I'll assume for now they are good. Need to check fuel pressure, which will need inserting a gauge - correct?
Taking it dark o'clock tomorrow to the airport and returning Saturday evening so I won't be doing anything until Sunday - assuming the wife doesn't complain too violently...
Thanks for the replies, I'll keep updating - hopefully with some progress
FICM voltage and ICP both good when cranking (whether it starts or not), so I'll assume for now they are good. Need to check fuel pressure, which will need inserting a gauge - correct?
Taking it dark o'clock tomorrow to the airport and returning Saturday evening so I won't be doing anything until Sunday - assuming the wife doesn't complain too violently...
Thanks for the replies, I'll keep updating - hopefully with some progress
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When cranking, what should I be looking for? ICP, FICM voltage are a given but what else could be helpful?
Any ideas for a good fuel pressure gauge - ideally in-cab?
85 miles this morning without missing a beat, but if I stopped and restarted... frustration is the word!
Any ideas for a good fuel pressure gauge - ideally in-cab?
85 miles this morning without missing a beat, but if I stopped and restarted... frustration is the word!
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Good call, I'll confirm actual not desired. Wife driving around in the snow all day today, no problem, so hope it's not a personal thing 
Hunting a little bit when starting cold after a few days, but presume that's the injectors warming up
Hunting a little bit when starting cold after a few days, but presume that's the injectors warming up
