Maximum Payload F350
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What I've failed to express is that GVWR PAYLOAD is an imaginary number.
Take out the diesel engine - install a gas engine and theGVWR PAYLOADgoes up.
Can that be agreed upon?
Take out the passengers - same thing -GVWR PAYLOAD goes up.
But you can't add passengers - Ford has already built their weight into the GVWR.
Take out the diesel engine - install a gas engine and the
Can that be agreed upon?
Take out the passengers - same thing -
But you can't add passengers - Ford has already built their weight into the GVWR.
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What I've failed to express is that GVWR is an imaginary number.
Take out the diesel engine - install a gas engine and the GVWR goes up.
Can that be agreed upon?
Take out the passengers - same thing - GVWR goes up.
But you can't add passengers - Ford has already built their weight into the GVWR.
Take out the diesel engine - install a gas engine and the GVWR goes up.
Can that be agreed upon?
Take out the passengers - same thing - GVWR goes up.
But you can't add passengers - Ford has already built their weight into the GVWR.
GVWR does not increase if you swap out the heavier diesel with a gasoline engine.. Payload will increase in that case, but Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is a FIXED number designated by the manufacturer... GVWR is the absolute maximum the vehicle can weigh and is designated by the manufacturer and stickered on the vehicle.
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What I've failed to express is that GVWR is an imaginary number.
Take out the diesel engine - install a gas engine and the GVWR goes up.
Can that be agreed upon?
Take out the passengers - same thing - GVWR goes up.
But you can't add passengers - Ford has already built their weight into the GVWR.
Take out the diesel engine - install a gas engine and the GVWR goes up.
Can that be agreed upon?
Take out the passengers - same thing - GVWR goes up.
But you can't add passengers - Ford has already built their weight into the GVWR.
Yes, all that is true but you're comparing two separate numbers. The payload number on the sticker is never accurate and never could be. Passengers, no passengers, etc. the truck will never weigh what it needs to for that number to be accurate. GVWR is the most the truck is rated to weigh no matter what. Passengers, fuel, options, engine choice, etc. That's why I said, the only way to get the true "rated" payload is to weigh the truck and subtract it from the GVWR. There are just too many variables to get the actual capacity any other way. For example, my 350 has about 3500 in payload according to the sticker but in reality it's closer to 3k which I know from weighing the truck. My truck with myself, wife, and 2 year old daughter inside with a full tank and 5th hitch in the bed weighs 8500. My GVWR is 11.5k. So, 3k payload. sticker is 500 lbs off.
On a personal note, I use it as a guide rather than a limit.
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Correct!
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Not really, I think what you are talking about is load capacity, what you can carry in the truck. The GVWR is fixed, usually at either 10K (F250) or 11.5K (F350).
You subtract the weight of the truck empty from that number and that tells you how much load you can carry. So if your friend usually rides with you and weighs 250 lbs, and today he isn't with you, you can carry 250 lbs more load than you could with him in the truck. If you have an in bed fuel tank, it holds 50 gallons, so full that is about 350 lbs (assuming Diesel), and you run with it empty, you can put 350 lbs more load in the truck.
GVWR is a rating, so it is the max of everything, the truck, the passengers, the fuel, the load. When you reduce the other things that are in the truck, like the passengers and the fuel, you can increase the load. But you can't go over the GVWR. Each axle also has a max load, you can't go over that either, even if you were still under the GVWR, but it is hard to do that, since the axles are typically rated at much higher than half of the GVWR, you would have to have one big load all the way at the rear of the bed, or for instance in tongue weight, to get to that situation.
You subtract the weight of the truck empty from that number and that tells you how much load you can carry. So if your friend usually rides with you and weighs 250 lbs, and today he isn't with you, you can carry 250 lbs more load than you could with him in the truck. If you have an in bed fuel tank, it holds 50 gallons, so full that is about 350 lbs (assuming Diesel), and you run with it empty, you can put 350 lbs more load in the truck.
GVWR is a rating, so it is the max of everything, the truck, the passengers, the fuel, the load. When you reduce the other things that are in the truck, like the passengers and the fuel, you can increase the load. But you can't go over the GVWR. Each axle also has a max load, you can't go over that either, even if you were still under the GVWR, but it is hard to do that, since the axles are typically rated at much higher than half of the GVWR, you would have to have one big load all the way at the rear of the bed, or for instance in tongue weight, to get to that situation.
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Not really, I think what you are talking about is load capacity, what you can carry in the truck. The GVWR is fixed, usually at either 10K (F250) or 11.5K (F350).
You subtract the weight of the truck empty from that number and that tells you how much load you can carry. So if your friend usually rides with you and weighs 250 lbs, and today he isn't with you, you can carry 250 lbs more load than you could with him in the truck. If you have an in bed fuel tank, it holds 50 gallons, so full that is about 350 lbs (assuming Diesel), and you run with it empty, you can put 350 lbs more load in the truck.
GVWR is a rating, so it is the max of everything, the truck, the passengers, the fuel, the load. When you reduce the other things that are in the truck, like the passengers and the fuel, you can increase the load. But you can't go over the GVWR. Each axle also has a max load, you can't go over that either, even if you were still under the GVWR, but it is hard to do that, since the axles are typically rated at much higher than half of the GVWR, you would have to have one big load all the way at the rear of the bed, or for instance in tongue weight, to get to that situation.
You subtract the weight of the truck empty from that number and that tells you how much load you can carry. So if your friend usually rides with you and weighs 250 lbs, and today he isn't with you, you can carry 250 lbs more load than you could with him in the truck. If you have an in bed fuel tank, it holds 50 gallons, so full that is about 350 lbs (assuming Diesel), and you run with it empty, you can put 350 lbs more load in the truck.
GVWR is a rating, so it is the max of everything, the truck, the passengers, the fuel, the load. When you reduce the other things that are in the truck, like the passengers and the fuel, you can increase the load. But you can't go over the GVWR. Each axle also has a max load, you can't go over that either, even if you were still under the GVWR, but it is hard to do that, since the axles are typically rated at much higher than half of the GVWR, you would have to have one big load all the way at the rear of the bed, or for instance in tongue weight, to get to that situation.
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Yes, all that is true but you're comparing two separate numbers. The payload number on the sticker is never accurate and never could be. Passengers, no passengers, etc. the truck will never weigh what it needs to for that number to be accurate. GVWR is the most the truck is rated to weigh no matter what. Passengers, fuel, options, engine choice, etc. That's why I said, the only way to get the true "rated" payload is to weigh the truck and subtract it from the GVWR. There are just too many variables to get the actual capacity any other way. For example, my 350 has about 3500 in payload according to the sticker but in reality it's closer to 3k which I know from weighing the truck. My truck with myself, wife, and 2 year old daughter inside with a full tank and 5th hitch in the bed weighs 8500. My GVWR is 11.5k. So, 3k payload. sticker is 500 lbs off.
On a personal note, I use it as a guide rather than a limit.
On a personal note, I use it as a guide rather than a limit.
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From: Waco, Tx
Payload is NOT GVWR... Payload is GVWR minus the actual weight of the vehicle at this moment in time. If a bird flies over and craps on the vehicle the payload will decrease by the weight of the crap.. the GVWR does not change...
Again GVWR is a FIXED number
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Right, but it will never weigh what it did when it left the plant. It is kind of like dry weight on an RV. That too is a completely useless number...
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So when I said in my original post 4 pages ago:
"It is my understanding that the published payload is just over 4,400 pounds. Now I understand that when I load my truck with stuff and passengers, then hook up to my fifth wheel I could actually be decreasing my payload, but isn't published payload for this exact truck just over 4,400?"
I guess the short answer would have been YES, THE PUBLISHED PAYLOAD for that truck, which is a worthless number, is just over 4,400 pounds.
"It is my understanding that the published payload is just over 4,400 pounds. Now I understand that when I load my truck with stuff and passengers, then hook up to my fifth wheel I could actually be decreasing my payload, but isn't published payload for this exact truck just over 4,400?"
I guess the short answer would have been YES, THE PUBLISHED PAYLOAD for that truck, which is a worthless number, is just over 4,400 pounds.
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So when I said in my original post 4 pages ago:
"It is my understanding that the published payload is just over 4,400 pounds. Now I understand that when I load my truck with stuff and passengers, then hook up to my fifth wheel I could actually be decreasing my payload, but isn't published payload for this exact truck just over 4,400?"
I guess the short answer would have been YES, THE PUBLISHED PAYLOAD for that truck, which is a worthless number, is just over 4,400 pounds.
"It is my understanding that the published payload is just over 4,400 pounds. Now I understand that when I load my truck with stuff and passengers, then hook up to my fifth wheel I could actually be decreasing my payload, but isn't published payload for this exact truck just over 4,400?"
I guess the short answer would have been YES, THE PUBLISHED PAYLOAD for that truck, which is a worthless number, is just over 4,400 pounds.
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Pin is entirely carried by the rear axle so the only way to know is weigh rear axle ready to tow with full tank and hitch in the bed. Then subtract that number from rear axle GAWR. My guess would be you have about what I have. 3k available for pin. I don't always adhere to this but that's what the stickers tell me to do.
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Yes, we were both writing at the same time i guess.
I just weighed my F250 the other day loaded up with my boat trailer before I haul it down to Florida for the Christmas holiday. With the truck full of fuel, and tank almost full (50 gallon Titan tank, with 47 gallons in it), the tools and stuff in the bed, my weights were as follows:
Front Axle 4660
Rear Axle 4940
Total 9600 lbs.
That includes 700 lbs on the trailer coupler, I have a scale that I can measure the pin weight precisely. That is without me in the truck. So getting pretty close to the GVWR. The truck doesn't have that much in it, I have been surprised how much the truck weighs all by itself, it is a fully loaded Lariat, and all those options obviously add up.
I am well under each axles GVWR, I have a 940 lb cushion on the front axles, and an 1160 lb cushion on the rear axle, so weight distribution is not an issue.
My trailer is 9220 on the axles., so my total GCW is 18820. Pulls that quite nicely.
Yes, we were both writing at the same time i guess.
I just weighed my F250 the other day loaded up with my boat trailer before I haul it down to Florida for the Christmas holiday. With the truck full of fuel, and tank almost full (50 gallon Titan tank, with 47 gallons in it), the tools and stuff in the bed, my weights were as follows:
Front Axle 4660
Rear Axle 4940
Total 9600 lbs.
That includes 700 lbs on the trailer coupler, I have a scale that I can measure the pin weight precisely. That is without me in the truck. So getting pretty close to the GVWR. The truck doesn't have that much in it, I have been surprised how much the truck weighs all by itself, it is a fully loaded Lariat, and all those options obviously add up.
I am well under each axles GVWR, I have a 940 lb cushion on the front axles, and an 1160 lb cushion on the rear axle, so weight distribution is not an issue.
My trailer is 9220 on the axles., so my total GCW is 18820. Pulls that quite nicely.