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It is my understanding that the published payload is just over 4,400 pounds. Now I understand that when I load my truck with stuff and passengers, then hook up to my fifth wheel I could actually be decreasing my payload, but isn't published payload for this exact truck just over 4,400?
"Published payload" assumes that there is one 150-pound passenger seated at each seat-belted position and a full tank of gas/fuel.
So. . .passengers have already been accounted for in their payload equation.
"Stuff" that you add will decrease available payload.
Hooking up the 5'ver will decrease available payload.
Anything that you put in or on the truck will decrease available payload.
Passengers that are not seated will increase available payload by 150-pounds per passenger.
"Published payload" assumes that there is one 150-pound passenger seated at each seat-belted position and a full tank of gas/fuel.
So. . .passengers have already been accounted for in their payload equation.
"Stuff" that you add will decrease available payload.
Hooking up the 5'ver will decrease available payload.
Anything that you put in or on the truck will decrease available payload.
Passengers that are not seated will increase available payload by 150-pounds per passenger.
"Door jamb sticker" is assuming a 150-pound passenger weight at each seat belted location.
6 passengers = 900 pounds
If only two passengers are ever in the truck at one time then the "Door Jamb" sticker needs to be adjusted upward.
Payload will be 600 pounds greater than the "Door Jamb" amount.
The sticker is assuming the combined weight of the passengers. Remove the passengers and you will have a higher payload number.
With all due respect, this aspect of the door jamb sticker is often misunderstood - probably because Ford has the information about passenger weight buried in their literature.
To repeat, the payload rating assumes that the truck is loaded with passengers.
"Door jamb sticker" is assuming a 150-pound passenger weight at each seat belted location.
6 passengers = 900 pounds
If only two passengers are ever in the truck at one time then the "Door Jamb" sticker needs to be adjusted upward.
Payload will be 600 pounds greater than the "Door Jamb" amount.
The sticker is assuming the combined weight of the passengers. Remove the passengers and you will have a higher payload number.
With all due respect, this aspect of the door jamb sticker is often misunderstood - probably because Ford has the information about passenger weight buried in their literature.
To repeat, the payload rating assumes that the truck is loaded with passengers.
again, take the GVWR and subtract the actual weight, and I bet you are real close to the number on the tag. Yes, the tag assumes there will be SOMEONE in the truck, cause it doesn't drive itself!..
if you are worrying about the last 150 lbs, you got trouble.
I'm within 50 lbs of the tag number on my dually.
the OP's problem is that Ford publishes A Capacity number on their product website that has no info backing it. 'the payload capacity is'
it doesn't say 'depending on the model and configuration the payload could be as high as', even tho that is what they meant. they will never publish the minimum number.. 10,000-8-300. cause no customer would buy the truck anymore.
Just sayin' - the door jam sticker includes 900 pounds of passengers (in a six-seat truck such as a crew cab).
Hard to find information:
correct, total maximum. for that vehicle for EVERYTHING carried by the vehicle. Could have just said, including passengers. Don't know what the 150 means.. I weigh 280.. does that mean I can't sit in the drivers seat cause they only spec'ed 150? or the total on my side of the vehicle cannot be greater than 300?
my vehicle is 5 seat, so 750 lbs.. if I carry 5 people who weigh a total of 1000 am I over weight on something...?
the actual carrying capacity of ANY truck is the gvwr minus the actual weight. weigh with a few people, no people, lots of people, whatever the number, that is the MAXIMUM weight of EVERYTHING the truck can CARRY.
With Ford documents you have to read the small print. With the above links provided for example "with minimum equipment" or "payload reduced by options weights", your's might have options that reduce your payload. I wouldn't believe the other documents. This is one reason that there are labels. Where I live by law it has to be there because the law makes the manufacturer accountable for what the truck can safety carry and tow. Their hands are clear once it leaves the factory.
Their is two labels on the pillar that tends to confuse people. One is for the Vehicle and the other for the tires. They are required by law.
The "Tire and Loading Information" Label is for the tires. Simply the Law makes the tire company accountable for the safety for their tires. There are engineers that calculate that the tires will meet minumum safety standards. This is why this label states how many and where passengers are position in the veihcle. How can they meet the minimum safety requirements if they don't know where the weight is in the vehicle.
Bottom line you can't be over 11,500 lbs for the truck with everything loaded, the trailer loaded and connected. Note that usually the allowed axle weights add up to more than the GVW, this means that you don't have to have exactly the same weight on each axles. So, for instance, with a GVW of 11,500, and a rear axle weight rating of 7000, you could have the trailer hooked up, and have the rear axle weight at exactly 7000 lbs and be legal, as long as the front axle weight was less than 4500 lbs (11,500-7000). The front axle is rated for more, but your total can't go over the GVW of 11,500.
There is also a GCWR (Gross Combined Weight Rating), which is the maximum that the truck fully loaded and the trailer fully loaded and connected can weigh.
The other sticker posted above states 3,503. Where do I stand for potential pin weight?
Pin is entirely carried by the rear axle so the only way to know is weigh rear axle ready to tow with full tank and hitch in the bed. Then subtract that number from rear axle GAWR. My guess would be you have about what I have. 3k available for pin. I don't always adhere to this but that's what the stickers tell me to do.
The other sticker posted above states 3,503. Where do I stand for potential pin weight?
I'm guessing, 11500 - 3500 = 8000, so if you weigh your truck, no passengers, 1/4 tank fuel, it should be around 8,000 lbs.
make sure when u weigh to get the axles on two different weight plates so you will know the two separately.
. . .Now I understand that when I load my truck with . . . passengers, then hook up to my fifth wheel I could actually be decreasing my payload. . .
What I hope that is made clear in response to the OP is that "no, adding passengers does not decrease payload".
(we'll ignore the precise weight of each passenger)
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