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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 12:48 PM
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HELP! NO START COLD, ICP LOW!

Alright guys here's the rundown.
It'll started with trying to get 4wd working and is ending up as completely SCREWED.


2006 6.0 King Ranch.


Had battery light come on last week, batts are 3 months old interstate Commerical version (Megatrons were giving me troubles). So, check Alt came back bad (a 140amp I picked up). Had a 110 that was on the truck I thought was giving me troubles, but when tested twice at two different shops has come back good.


Install the 110 that I thought was junk. Truck fires up, low idle wasn't enough to get ALT to charge (I have an Edge Evolution CS) rev'd the truck up (it was cold 0 - -5 in MN that night. Truck just dies as it was settling down in RMPs from being rev'd. NOTHING after that cranking NO START since.


I started reading up (BTW thanks guys! tons of info). Coming to 3 conclusions:


1: ICP
2:HPOP
3:IPR


Set my Edge to monitor
ICP: 58 now hitting 180
ICPv: .3
IPW: 0


While, just looking at things I noticed my Degas bottle looked a little funny, this is where I got SCARED I found what I would guess is OIL (black Sludge) in the bottle. Bottle is currently out and trying to clean it out.




HELP Please!


Don
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dbergeson
Alright guys here's the rundown.
It'll started with trying to get 4wd working and is ending up as completely SCREWED.


2006 6.0 King Ranch.


Had battery light come on last week, batts are 3 months old interstate Commerical version (Megatrons were giving me troubles). So, check Alt came back bad (a 140amp I picked up). Had a 110 that was on the truck I thought was giving me troubles, but when tested twice at two different shops has come back good.


Install the 110 that I thought was junk. Truck fires up, low idle wasn't enough to get ALT to charge (I have an Edge Evolution CS) rev'd the truck up (it was cold 0 - -5 in MN that night. Truck just dies as it was settling down in RMPs from being rev'd. NOTHING after that cranking NO START since.


I started reading up (BTW thanks guys! tons of info). Coming to 3 conclusions:


1: ICP
2:HPOP
3:IPR


Set my Edge to monitor
ICP: 58 now hitting 180
ICPv: .3
IPW: 0


While, just looking at things I noticed my Degas bottle looked a little funny, this is where I got SCARED I found what I would guess is OIL (black Sludge) in the bottle. Bottle is currently out and trying to clean it out.




HELP Please!


Don
Well while you are in there changing the oil cooler ( the likely source of the oil in the coolant ) you can install the updated standpipes, dummy plugs and STC fitting. The standpipes, dummy plugs and STC fitting should take care of your low ICP and the no start. After you replace the oil cooler you will need to flush the system with something like simple green to get all of the oil out of the cooling system.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 12:58 PM
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Be aware that black sludge in the bottom might not be oil. Oil floats and also the water pump will mix the oil with the water and turn it into a "pudding" consistency. Sometimes combustion gasses can put a lot of carbon into the coolant.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:02 PM
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Be aware that black sludge in the bottom might not be oil. Oil floats and also the water pump will mix the oil with the water and turn it into a "pudding" consistency. Sometimes combustion gasses can put a lot of carbon into the coolant.




Well, not much for coolant was left in the bottle. Hard to tell if it's floating or not.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:04 PM
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Be aware that black sludge in the bottom might not be oil. Oil floats and also the water pump will mix the oil with the water and turn it into a "pudding" consistency. Sometimes combustion gasses can put a lot of carbon into the coolant.
Very good point.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mustang_309
Very good point.


Placed my finger in bottle and it acted in an OIL type way... Ugh


Best place to get parts for the cooler and plugs, pipes etc?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:11 PM
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Could it be diesel fuel? ... it feels oily/greasy. Not trying to talk you out of it being an oil cooler problem, but the water pump is VERY efficient at turning oil into the pudding material (some say it looks like a chocolate shake). Also, is any of the sludge magnetic?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:13 PM
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Could it be diesel fuel? ... it feels oily/greasy. Not trying to talk you out of it being an oil cooler problem, but the water pump is VERY efficient at turning oil into the pudding material (some say it looks like a chocolate shake). Also, is any of the sludge magnetic?


This was BLACK! Greasy left remains on my hand after running water over it.
 
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Was the degas bottle empty by itself or had you drained it?
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:19 PM
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Was the degas bottle empty by itself or had you drained it?
Almost empty, Little left in once I got the lower hose off and when to dump it. But, pretty much empty.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:24 PM
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Join FordParts.com and specify AutoNation White Bear Lake for cheap parts. Shipping is reasonable through FordParts.com.

Another alternative is Tasca - they are always pretty close to rock bottom prices.
 
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Join FordParts.com and specify AutoNation White Bear Lake for cheap parts. Shipping is reasonable through FordParts.com.

Another alternative is Tasca - they are always pretty close to rock bottom prices.
X2 on the autonation ford through www.fordparts.com . You may have to call them to get the part number for the standpipe/dummy plug kit.
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 01:34 PM
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Join FordParts.com and specify AutoNation White Bear Lake for cheap parts. Shipping is reasonable through FordParts.com.

Another alternative is Tasca - they are always pretty close to rock bottom prices.


LOL, I live within 10 miles of Tousley (autonation or whatever they are now), got an account set up!
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 02:23 PM
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Make sure they give you the Internet pricing!
 
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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 02:26 PM
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Make sure they give you the Internet pricing!


Oh yeah, They tried on one of my injectors and I told them it was cheaper on the website. That's when they created an account for me.
 
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