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Hi guys I am sorry if this is already discussed I wasn't sure what to look for. Ok this is the issue, I have a 2000 mountaineer that has an issue with idle after I drive it for a while (like 45 min to an hour). I had someone hook up a fuel pump pressure tester to it about a week ago and it would drop when the idle issue would start. He seemed to think it was the fuel pump, but I have never had a fuel pump act like this. I have ruled out vacuum leak, fuel pump relay, IAC, MAF, TPS, and the coil pack. As you can tell I have put a lot of money towards this and really need to pin it down. This is where I am now, MAP sensor, EGR valve, Gas Recirculation Pressure Feedback Sensor. I have no idea what it could be at this point any help would be appreciated thanks in advance. oh and no lights at the moment.
Does your Mountaineer have the 4.0L V6 or the 5.0L V8?
How did you rule out a vacuum leak? Do you have the ability to monitor the PCM value for the engine coolant temperature (not the gauge in the instrument cluster) when the idle starts to act up? Does the truck run fine at engine speeds other than idle? Have you tried cleaning the back side of the throttle plate?
Does your Mountaineer have the 4.0L V6 or the 5.0L V8?
How did you rule out a vacuum leak? Do you have the ability to monitor the PCM value for the engine coolant temperature (not the gauge in the instrument cluster) when the idle starts to act up? Does the truck run fine at engine speeds other than idle? Have you tried cleaning the back side of the throttle plate?
-Rod
I had my mechanic do a smoke test and had 6 issues that he fixed. no i dont have a way to monitor the pcm valve and what would be the best thing to use to clean the back of the throttle plate? I live in fl and right now in the mornings its 50-60 there is no issue with it acting up,but in the evenings when I go home I start to have issues. It usually dose fine when I get going and if I keep it at around 1500 rpms it doesn't stutter when I take off. If i don't I hit the gas and rpms drop and jump a couple times then the truck will go. The truck is the 4.0 V6 version.
The best stuff I've found to clean the back of the throttle plate is STP Throttle Body Cleaner. It seems to cut through the sludge very quickly and evaporate quickly as well.
The best stuff I've found to clean the back of the throttle plate is STP Throttle Body Cleaner. It seems to cut through the sludge very quickly and evaporate quickly as well.
It's not all that uncommon, but probably more of an issue if you have an issue with the PCV system or if you drive like a little old lady, making only short trips around town.
It's not all that uncommon, but probably more of an issue if you have an issue with the PCV system or if you drive like a little old lady, making only short trips around town.
-Rod
so its something in the pcv system? id like to go on longer trips but it gets to a point where i just have to stop for an hr or so before i can continue
No, not totally. Carbon build up on the back of the throttle plate is something that happens. The PCV system will allow oil vapors in to the intake, that's something that happens. The PCV system is probably not the issue if whatever your idle issue is happens only after the engine is warm.
I skimmed back through the above posts and I don't see a good description of what the idle issue is. Does the truck idle rough? Does it stall?
No, not totally. Carbon build up on the back of the throttle plate is something that happens. The PCV system will allow oil vapors in to the intake, that's something that happens. The PCV system is probably not the issue if whatever your idle issue is happens only after the engine is warm.
I skimmed back through the above posts and I don't see a good description of what the idle issue is. Does the truck idle rough? Does it stall?
-Rod
When it gets hot (not over heating) it starts the rpms start to drop and jump back up and occasionally stall. If I dont keep the rpms around 1500 the truck will surge a few times before it goes, but once im going it seems to be fine until the next stop light. If I keep driving it like that then eventually have to stop to let whatever cool down. I have had a smoke test done for vac leaks, replaced the maf, iac 4-5 times, tps sensor, and fuel pump relay. When it was acting up I had someone put on a fuel pressure gauge and it was jumping with the rpms. Im not sure if this helps clear it up or not. I have a mechanic that seems to think it could be a map sensor and im wondering if it could be the fuel pressure regulator or something with the egr valve or sensor.
I'd agree with your initial instinct, doesn't sound like a fuel pump issue. Since it almost sounds like something related to when the engine gets up to operating temperature, having a scan tool with datastream mode and monitoring several engine parameters real time might be the most efficient way to diagnose this. For the amount of parts you've already invested, you could probably get a pretty nice scan tool with datastream mode....
I'd agree with your initial instinct, doesn't sound like a fuel pump issue. Since it almost sounds like something related to when the engine gets up to operating temperature, having a scan tool with datastream mode and monitoring several engine parameters real time might be the most efficient way to diagnose this. For the amount of parts you've already invested, you could probably get a pretty nice scan tool with datastream mode....
You get a lot of bang for your buck from the Autel scan tools. Autel also sells these under the Cen-Tech brand available from Harbor Freight. For example, the Autel AL619 is available for $140 or less online and will do data stream and can also access ABS and airbag codes.
You get a lot of bang for your buck from the Autel scan tools. Autel also sells these under the Cen-Tech brand available from Harbor Freight. For example, the Autel AL619 is available for $140 or less online and will do data stream and can also access ABS and airbag codes.
-Rod
Thanks here is an update error light came on saying iac which is right around a month old. when it was acting up today I filled up on gas and it quit. the amount of gas doesn't matter it will act up on a full tank or a quarter tank. whats interesting is that it stopped acting up. since i cant afford the al619 would this one do the job