Failed CA smog
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Failed CA smog
Hello all,
In addition to narrowing down my possible headgasket issue, I received a notice that it is time to renew my registration here in CA. I had the truck smog certified two years ago with no problem, and two years before that as well.
Here in CA you might be interested to know how they do this check. The first thing is a smoke check. The tester hops in the truck and wings the throttle a couple of times and looks in the rearview mirror. To pass, he must see very little or no smoke. Next he checks under the hood for modifications. Anything he finds must have a CARB certification. There is no tailpipe test; gas vehicles get an actual tailpipe gas analysis.
It has been two years since I've done this, so I took the truck down to a local smog check outfit that came well recommended on the web. I was shocked that the guy told me he could not issue a smog certificate for several reasons. The first thing he came up with was the sticker on the passenger side valve cover. This is a sticker installed by International stating that the engine is certified for use in vehicles over 14,000 lbs in other states, blah, blah. I told him the engine had been in the truck since it left the factory in 2003, but he told me he could not certify it. He also pointed to the two unused connectors in the wiring harness near the EGR valve - these have never been connected to anything. More on this in a minute.
So I left this station and went to the place I had used two years ago. This guy did not worry about the engine sticker, but pointed to the same two connectors. I told him they had always been unused, but he indicated I needed to return with a Ford wiring diagram showing this. He also did not like the Sinister Diesel coolant filter setup, even after I explained it was only a coolant filter. His comment was that the CARB inspectors don't want to see a single extra hose under the hood, and that he could not certify me either.
So I went home and removed the coolant filter setup. I had already flushed my cooling system and installed the Bulletproof external oil cooler + new EGR cooler + CAT rated coolant, so the filter is probably something I don't need anymore. Next I opened my Ford service manual on disc. Luckily I found explicit wiring diagrams and connector views that state the two connectors were not used. These connectors would have plugged into the throttle body plate under the intake elbow, but there never was a throttle body plate installed on the truck. My truck was built before these were used. so the connectors just hang there.
So I will take the truck back this week and should, with documents in hand, be able to get my smog signed off. If anybody else finds they have this same situation, BTW, I am happy to email you these pdf files if you need them.
The upshot is that, at least in CA, you have got to be really careful about anything you change. I am glad I went with a stock replacement turbo and did not enlarge my downpipe this spring, because if those are detected, you are not going to change them out so easily. And even if you are technically "in the right", like I was with the unused connectors, they can stop you in your tracks if they are not fully informed about what is legal.
I had a similar experience a couple of years ago when I tried to register a Polaris Sportsman ATV I had bought out of state. It was entirely stock, but I had to go to two separate DMV inspection locations to get it certified for registration. There again I was subject to inspectors who were not properly informed about the facts. They were looking for stickers and engine numbers that did not exist on this ATVs, but only on motorcycles. I was almost left with an 800 lb paperweight, but I finally got it registered.
Note that I will be selling my nearly new coolant filter setup, because I don't need it. Look for it in the marketplace if you are interested.
Hope this information is useful to some of you in the wacky land of Kalifornia.
Doug
In addition to narrowing down my possible headgasket issue, I received a notice that it is time to renew my registration here in CA. I had the truck smog certified two years ago with no problem, and two years before that as well.
Here in CA you might be interested to know how they do this check. The first thing is a smoke check. The tester hops in the truck and wings the throttle a couple of times and looks in the rearview mirror. To pass, he must see very little or no smoke. Next he checks under the hood for modifications. Anything he finds must have a CARB certification. There is no tailpipe test; gas vehicles get an actual tailpipe gas analysis.
It has been two years since I've done this, so I took the truck down to a local smog check outfit that came well recommended on the web. I was shocked that the guy told me he could not issue a smog certificate for several reasons. The first thing he came up with was the sticker on the passenger side valve cover. This is a sticker installed by International stating that the engine is certified for use in vehicles over 14,000 lbs in other states, blah, blah. I told him the engine had been in the truck since it left the factory in 2003, but he told me he could not certify it. He also pointed to the two unused connectors in the wiring harness near the EGR valve - these have never been connected to anything. More on this in a minute.
So I left this station and went to the place I had used two years ago. This guy did not worry about the engine sticker, but pointed to the same two connectors. I told him they had always been unused, but he indicated I needed to return with a Ford wiring diagram showing this. He also did not like the Sinister Diesel coolant filter setup, even after I explained it was only a coolant filter. His comment was that the CARB inspectors don't want to see a single extra hose under the hood, and that he could not certify me either.
So I went home and removed the coolant filter setup. I had already flushed my cooling system and installed the Bulletproof external oil cooler + new EGR cooler + CAT rated coolant, so the filter is probably something I don't need anymore. Next I opened my Ford service manual on disc. Luckily I found explicit wiring diagrams and connector views that state the two connectors were not used. These connectors would have plugged into the throttle body plate under the intake elbow, but there never was a throttle body plate installed on the truck. My truck was built before these were used. so the connectors just hang there.
So I will take the truck back this week and should, with documents in hand, be able to get my smog signed off. If anybody else finds they have this same situation, BTW, I am happy to email you these pdf files if you need them.
The upshot is that, at least in CA, you have got to be really careful about anything you change. I am glad I went with a stock replacement turbo and did not enlarge my downpipe this spring, because if those are detected, you are not going to change them out so easily. And even if you are technically "in the right", like I was with the unused connectors, they can stop you in your tracks if they are not fully informed about what is legal.
I had a similar experience a couple of years ago when I tried to register a Polaris Sportsman ATV I had bought out of state. It was entirely stock, but I had to go to two separate DMV inspection locations to get it certified for registration. There again I was subject to inspectors who were not properly informed about the facts. They were looking for stickers and engine numbers that did not exist on this ATVs, but only on motorcycles. I was almost left with an 800 lb paperweight, but I finally got it registered.
Note that I will be selling my nearly new coolant filter setup, because I don't need it. Look for it in the marketplace if you are interested.
Hope this information is useful to some of you in the wacky land of Kalifornia.
Doug
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WOW all I can say , the guy I took my truck too never said anything about the external coolant filter he asked Questions about it and was very Interested about how it works , he did seem to look at my scan gauge hooked into the OBD port and asked ( is it a Tune ) I said no I like to Monitor the heat and other sensor Values Never said it pulls codes and deletes them, Cali is looking for More way's to screw the Consumer if you don't believe me in a month or so we will be paying triple for diesel
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I wonder if my experience has anything to do with the fact I am in the south bay area (San Jose). I forgot to mention the first guy who checked the truck was even grumbling about the auxiliary idle controller in the cab. It has a big Ford logo on it, but obviously he had no clue what it was.
I got the feeling that the CARB inspectors prowl around looking to catch smog inspectors who miss anything. The smog check outfits seemed spooked - they would probably prefer to let you pass and take your money if you think about it.
Doug
I got the feeling that the CARB inspectors prowl around looking to catch smog inspectors who miss anything. The smog check outfits seemed spooked - they would probably prefer to let you pass and take your money if you think about it.
Doug
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I wonder if my experience has anything to do with the fact I am in the south bay area (San Jose). I forgot to mention the first guy who checked the truck was even grumbling about the auxiliary idle controller in the cab. It has a big Ford logo on it, but obviously he had no clue what it was.
I got the feeling that the CARB inspectors prowl around looking to catch smog inspectors who miss anything. The smog check outfits seemed spooked - they would probably prefer to let you pass and take your money if you think about it.
Doug
I got the feeling that the CARB inspectors prowl around looking to catch smog inspectors who miss anything. The smog check outfits seemed spooked - they would probably prefer to let you pass and take your money if you think about it.
Doug
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If the smog station put the responsibility on YOU to find out what the two unused FACTORY pigtails are for, DEMAND A REFUND AND TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE! Any smog shop/mechanic should have access to online service manuals (alldata, helm, mitchell, etc) so that THEY can look it up if need be. I consider it a lazy mechanic that raises a red flag and asks me questions about a FACTORY set up on my vehicle (smog or any work for that matter). Lazy merchants do not get the honor of my business. If the customer knows more about the vehicle than the tech, one should go elsewhere.
And why in Ca would anyone roll into a smog shop with their monitor still plugged in? I unhook mine from the OBDII port and just stuff the connector under the dash for an hour every 2 years for inspection. I also have my bypass coolant and oil filters permanently mounted underneath the truck on the frame rails with plain black hoses...they have never mentioned them (ez to change too). In Ca make it as easy as possible for the techs to pass you.
And why in Ca would anyone roll into a smog shop with their monitor still plugged in? I unhook mine from the OBDII port and just stuff the connector under the dash for an hour every 2 years for inspection. I also have my bypass coolant and oil filters permanently mounted underneath the truck on the frame rails with plain black hoses...they have never mentioned them (ez to change too). In Ca make it as easy as possible for the techs to pass you.
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OP, the trick is to keep going to the same folks you have been. Once they familiarize your face, you will usually be good to go. See my friend is a smog guy here in CA and they ALL and I mean ALL smog guys watch out for the undercovers. Sometimes they are very obvious other times you couldn't tell. That is who they are looking out for. I've been going to my smog guy (not my friend) for 10 years, he knows me well. We know each other because of fishing. Not saying you have to butter them up, but it helps that they remember who you are so they don't have to give too much of a crap about every little detail.
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If the smog station put the responsibility on YOU to find out what the two unused FACTORY pigtails are for, DEMAND A REFUND AND TAKE YOUR BUSINESS ELSEWHERE! Any smog shop/mechanic should have access to online service manuals (alldata, helm, mitchell, etc) so that THEY can look it up if need be. I consider it a lazy mechanic that raises a red flag and asks me questions about a FACTORY set up on my vehicle (smog or any work for that matter). Lazy merchants do not get the honor of my business. If the customer knows more about the vehicle than the tech, one should go elsewhere.
And why in Ca would anyone roll into a smog shop with their monitor still plugged in? I unhook mine from the OBDII port and just stuff the connector under the dash for an hour every 2 years for inspection. I also have my bypass coolant and oil filters permanently mounted underneath the truck on the frame rails with plain black hoses...they have never mentioned them (ez to change too). In Ca make it as easy as possible for the techs to pass you.
And why in Ca would anyone roll into a smog shop with their monitor still plugged in? I unhook mine from the OBDII port and just stuff the connector under the dash for an hour every 2 years for inspection. I also have my bypass coolant and oil filters permanently mounted underneath the truck on the frame rails with plain black hoses...they have never mentioned them (ez to change too). In Ca make it as easy as possible for the techs to pass you.