2015 Chassis Cab engine changes
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2015 Chassis Cab engine changes
My 2015 f350 CC doesn't have the scorpion 2 engine? I waited for the 2015 because of the engine changes. ...so the new fuel pump, injectors and turbo are not what are in the 2015 at all?? Kinda wished the dealer told me that before I bought it since I told him I was waiting for the 2015 because of the be engine. Just a bit of a a disappointment. What turbo is in the 2015 CC model?? What is done that reduces the power so much? I can't get any answer from the dealer or from ford reps. Who can I contact for more info? I would expect the chassis cabs to have more power because they Gaul so much more and actually are working hard with constant payloads. ..
Great question, Y2KW57. We asked Scott and Alan and here's what they had to say:
The changes that we made for the improved power and torque for the 2015 model year only apply to the pickup truck. For the 2015 model year pickup truck engine, we made changes to the turbo, the high pressure fuel pump and the injectors. We also made changes to the intake system and the controls and in some configurations the axles as well. The chassis cabs we in powertrain call the dyno-cert engines, and we did not change those, so all those ratings stay the same. Even though the pickup and the dyno-cert share the same block, they are certified completely differently. The ratings of the chassis cabs fall into a whole different category based on GVWR. It's a different engine, different turbo charger, different after-treatment, different exhaust system, different EGR system, different torque converter - same block but different engine altogether. Stay tuned for more information about chassis cabs at a later date.
The changes that we made for the improved power and torque for the 2015 model year only apply to the pickup truck. For the 2015 model year pickup truck engine, we made changes to the turbo, the high pressure fuel pump and the injectors. We also made changes to the intake system and the controls and in some configurations the axles as well. The chassis cabs we in powertrain call the dyno-cert engines, and we did not change those, so all those ratings stay the same. Even though the pickup and the dyno-cert share the same block, they are certified completely differently. The ratings of the chassis cabs fall into a whole different category based on GVWR. It's a different engine, different turbo charger, different after-treatment, different exhaust system, different EGR system, different torque converter - same block but different engine altogether. Stay tuned for more information about chassis cabs at a later date.
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My 2015 f350 CC doesn't have the scorpion 2 engine? I waited for the 2015 because of the engine changes. ...so the new fuel pump, injectors and turbo are not what are in the 2015 at all?? Kinda wished the dealer told me that before I bought it since I told him I was waiting for the 2015 because of the be engine. Just a bit of a a disappointment.
Customer enters dealership and says "I want to order a new 2015 chassis cab because of the new engine coming out."
Dealer says to customer: "Sure thing boss. Customer is ALWAYS right. What color would you like? 2WD or 4WD? Sign right here, please. We'll call you when it arrives."
Alternative dealer response to customer: "Um, actually... the engines between the 2014 chassis cabs we have on the lot right now and the 2015 are really the exact same..."
Customer response: "Suuurrre they are. You're just trying to SELL me what you've got on the lot right now, so you don't have to pay flooring on old inventory. I got your number. I saw the TV commercial where Ford announced 440 HP and 860 TQ. That's what I want in my truck. See ya, I'm going to the dealership in the next town!"
Alternative customer response: "Really? You mean the pick up engines will be updated, but the chassis cab engines will remain the same? Hmmm, what chassis cabs do you have right now? Only two? Oh, that one has a dump body on it, I don't want that. And your other one has a flat bed. I'm looking for a service body. And I'd like more than just a regular cab. I guess I'll check around at other dealerships to see what left over 2014 chassis cabs they have left. Perhaps they will have more inventory suited to my liking."
Either way, the dealership loses the sale by saying something, and saves the sale saying nothing, other than helping you place your order. And that is presuming that the dealership even KNEW of the difference, as many dealer sales reps are not that knowledgeable, given that transience is more the rule than tenure in that position. So the research you have done AFTER the fact of your purchase (including finding the answer to my question over the summer) probably could have been done by you before the fact of purchase, since dealers have no incentive to provide you with any information that might send you to the next dealer.
What turbo is in the 2015 CC model?? What is done that reduces the power so much? I can't get any answer from the dealer or from ford reps. Who can I contact for more info? I would expect the chassis cabs to have more power because they Gaul so much more and actually are working hard with constant payloads. ..
The question above highlighted in bold might be asked in the inverse... What is done to the pickup engines to increase the power so much? And is that increase in power provided at the expense of higher duty cycle reliability that is expected of chassis cabs working hard with constant payloads?
F-750's, the highest GVWR medium duty chassis cab that Ford makes, were spec'd with as little as 220 HP Cummins engines, and the highest HP engine spec available on their heaviest duty chassis I believe topped out at 362 HP. In otherwords, we don't see 440 HP PSDs in trucks with GVWRs that are twice what the pickups are rated for.
I think your questions are good ones... but I would go further and ask why do the chassis cab engines, with less horsepower, have a higher incidence of turbo failure rate? Why has there been more burnt, cracked, and dropped exhaust valves in the dyno certified versions of the 6.7?
Regardless of rated horsepower, chassis cab customers value reliability. What good does an underrated engine do, if it still performs unreliably?
Those are the questions I would be asking.
And, I also am "staying tuned for more information about chassis cabs at a later date". It has been several months since "2015 Team" stated this, and thus far, no additional information has been forthcoming.
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The dealer told me that is was a good idea for me to wait for the 2015 chassis cab because the new diesel engine!. It was a fleet purchase so I was getting a good discount either way but the wait time on the vehicle was a lot longer. I did much research as possible before I made my vehicle decision, but was completely unaware of the chassis cab engine being completely different than the superduty. I made my order in April 2014 but it gave no mention of power difference but I was told it had the scorpion 2 model engine...even when.i contacted ford directly I was told I had the second build of the 6.7 engine. I have the engine serial number and engine tag if that helps give me more info on the engine setup and parts. The ford reps told me that chassis cab and the pickup had the same diesel engine as well. I feel I made my decision on disinformation. I thought at first it was just a different turbo and tuning but now I understand the engine is completely different after reading this thread.. I would expect a fleet commercial sales manager to know more about the products they are selling. If I were to lie about a product I were installing in a person's home or if the products efficiency was false I could be charged with consumer fraud! I just feel dumped and like to have the power to haul my customer utility body with ease. I've been stuck in a 2006 e350 6.0 and just hope the power of the 6.7 cc is greater. ..I was excited when I was told I could gett a few truck of my choice but it have to last me 10yrs. I just don't want to have regrets for the next 10 year.
I also wish I could get information from the manufacturer that was correct rather then being told to call a dealer tech. Which then the dealers techs can't answer my question.
Oh wait you have 2014 chassis cabs with the 6.7. Awsome, I'll take it! The dealer had a bunch of chassis cabs without bodies mounted on them. Don't know why they would have prefabricated CC when most CC owners most likely have their mid set on exactly what they plan to mount on their trucks from the get go. My.utility body is a completely custom and cost about half the price of the the chassis cab alone. I hope the CC can handle it when all stocked up and ready to make money.
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I also wish I could get information from the manufacturer that was correct rather then being told to call a dealer tech. Which then the dealers techs can't answer my question.
Oh wait you have 2014 chassis cabs with the 6.7. Awsome, I'll take it! The dealer had a bunch of chassis cabs without bodies mounted on them. Don't know why they would have prefabricated CC when most CC owners most likely have their mid set on exactly what they plan to mount on their trucks from the get go. My.utility body is a completely custom and cost about half the price of the the chassis cab alone. I hope the CC can handle it when all stocked up and ready to make money.
Engine tag: FG416AA
Customer enters dealership and says "I want to order a new 2015 chassis cab because of the new engine coming out."
Dealer says to customer: "Sure thing boss. Customer is ALWAYS right. What color would you like? 2WD or 4WD? Sign right here, please. We'll call you when it arrives."
Alternative dealer response to customer: "Um, actually... the engines between the 2014 chassis cabs we have on the lot right now and the 2015 are really the exact same..."
Customer response: "Suuurrre they are. You're just trying to SELL me what you've got on the lot right now, so you don't have to pay flooring on old inventory. I got your number. I saw the TV commercial where Ford announced 440 HP and 860 TQ. That's what I want in my truck. See ya, I'm going to the dealership in the next town!"
Alternative customer response: "Really? You mean the pick up engines will be updated, but the chassis cab engines will remain the same? Hmmm, what chassis cabs do you have right now? Only two? Oh, that one has a dump body on it, I don't want that. And your other one has a flat bed. I'm looking for a service body. And I'd like more than just a regular cab. I guess I'll check around at other dealerships to see what left over 2014 chassis cabs they have left. Perhaps they will have more inventory suited to my liking."
Either way, the dealership loses the sale by saying something, and saves the sale saying nothing, other than helping you place your order. And that is presuming that the dealership even KNEW of the difference, as many dealer sales reps are not that knowledgeable, given that transience is more the rule than tenure in that position. So the research you have done AFTER the fact of your purchase (including finding the answer to my question over the summer) probably could have been done by you before the fact of purchase, since dealers have no incentive to provide you with any information that might send you to the next dealer.
The question above highlighted in bold might be asked in the inverse... What is done to the pickup engines to increase the power so much? And is that increase in power provided at the expense of higher duty cycle reliability that is expected of chassis cabs working hard with constant payloads?
F-750's, the highest GVWR medium duty chassis cab that Ford makes, were spec'd with as little as 220 HP Cummins engines, and the highest HP engine spec available on their heaviest duty chassis I believe topped out at 362 HP. In otherwords, we don't see 440 HP PSDs in trucks with GVWRs that are twice what the pickups are rated for.
I think your questions are good ones... but I would go further and ask why do the chassis cab engines, with less horsepower, have a higher incidence of turbo failure rate? Why has there been more burnt, cracked, and dropped exhaust valves in the dyno certified versions of the 6.7?
Regardless of rated horsepower, chassis cab customers value reliability. What good does an underrated engine do, if it still performs unreliably?
Those are the questions I would be asking.
And, I also am "staying tuned for more information about chassis cabs at a later date". It has been several months since "2015 Team" stated this, and thus far, no additional information has been forthcoming.
Dealer says to customer: "Sure thing boss. Customer is ALWAYS right. What color would you like? 2WD or 4WD? Sign right here, please. We'll call you when it arrives."
Alternative dealer response to customer: "Um, actually... the engines between the 2014 chassis cabs we have on the lot right now and the 2015 are really the exact same..."
Customer response: "Suuurrre they are. You're just trying to SELL me what you've got on the lot right now, so you don't have to pay flooring on old inventory. I got your number. I saw the TV commercial where Ford announced 440 HP and 860 TQ. That's what I want in my truck. See ya, I'm going to the dealership in the next town!"
Alternative customer response: "Really? You mean the pick up engines will be updated, but the chassis cab engines will remain the same? Hmmm, what chassis cabs do you have right now? Only two? Oh, that one has a dump body on it, I don't want that. And your other one has a flat bed. I'm looking for a service body. And I'd like more than just a regular cab. I guess I'll check around at other dealerships to see what left over 2014 chassis cabs they have left. Perhaps they will have more inventory suited to my liking."
Either way, the dealership loses the sale by saying something, and saves the sale saying nothing, other than helping you place your order. And that is presuming that the dealership even KNEW of the difference, as many dealer sales reps are not that knowledgeable, given that transience is more the rule than tenure in that position. So the research you have done AFTER the fact of your purchase (including finding the answer to my question over the summer) probably could have been done by you before the fact of purchase, since dealers have no incentive to provide you with any information that might send you to the next dealer.
The question above highlighted in bold might be asked in the inverse... What is done to the pickup engines to increase the power so much? And is that increase in power provided at the expense of higher duty cycle reliability that is expected of chassis cabs working hard with constant payloads?
F-750's, the highest GVWR medium duty chassis cab that Ford makes, were spec'd with as little as 220 HP Cummins engines, and the highest HP engine spec available on their heaviest duty chassis I believe topped out at 362 HP. In otherwords, we don't see 440 HP PSDs in trucks with GVWRs that are twice what the pickups are rated for.
I think your questions are good ones... but I would go further and ask why do the chassis cab engines, with less horsepower, have a higher incidence of turbo failure rate? Why has there been more burnt, cracked, and dropped exhaust valves in the dyno certified versions of the 6.7?
Regardless of rated horsepower, chassis cab customers value reliability. What good does an underrated engine do, if it still performs unreliably?
Those are the questions I would be asking.
And, I also am "staying tuned for more information about chassis cabs at a later date". It has been several months since "2015 Team" stated this, and thus far, no additional information has been forthcoming.
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Nytefog... it sounds like you reasonably relied on your dealer at the time of order, and they were not informed. However, your order for a 2015 was rather early, in April 2014. Seemingly for competitive reasons, Ford as a manufacturer is not very forthcoming with future model information until the last minute, presumably to delay the time it would take for competing manufacturers to "catch up". Regardless of their reasons, the lack of available information impacted your decision in a way that might have had a different outcome if you had access to the information.
So what would that difference in outcome be?
Well, you would have had the same engine and drivetrain, regardless of whether you bought a 2014 or ordered a 2015, so that does not present a different outcome for you.
Some might have have been able to pay less for a 2014, but, since you "get a good discount either way", that is not a difference for you.
So the only thing left is the wait time... you waited for your 2015 to be built. But the problem of waiting is already solved... as you now have your truck. And the offset of waiting for a newer model is balanced by having a slightly newer model at trade in time, which may end up being sooner than 10 years, as the reliability of the 6.7 has not yet been proven to last 10 years.
The good news is that your new truck will no doubt feel more powerful than your older van, for a variety of reasons. If I were in your shoes, I'd shift my eyes away from the rear view mirror, and look through the windshield. To keep your 2015 rolling until 2025, focus on religious, well documented maintenance. I dont' think Ford offers any ESP plans for chassis cabs. They didn't used to. But if they do now, I'd strongly consider it with the 6.7. I wouldn't bother spending the money if it were a 6.8L gas. Those have evolved to be as reliable as rain in the Northwest. But the 6.7's, while more reliable than stock 6.0's and 6.4's, are still not without problems. And when problems do show up, they are four and five figure expenses.
Going forward, the principle concern I would have wouldn't not be what turbo the motor has, or what hp it is rated at. I would be more concerned about what kind of record log book I should keep, and should I digitally photo document every service and maintenance procedure, to best preserve the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty, which so often is reported to get denied for lack of proof that the fault isn't the customer's.
So what would that difference in outcome be?
Well, you would have had the same engine and drivetrain, regardless of whether you bought a 2014 or ordered a 2015, so that does not present a different outcome for you.
Some might have have been able to pay less for a 2014, but, since you "get a good discount either way", that is not a difference for you.
So the only thing left is the wait time... you waited for your 2015 to be built. But the problem of waiting is already solved... as you now have your truck. And the offset of waiting for a newer model is balanced by having a slightly newer model at trade in time, which may end up being sooner than 10 years, as the reliability of the 6.7 has not yet been proven to last 10 years.
The good news is that your new truck will no doubt feel more powerful than your older van, for a variety of reasons. If I were in your shoes, I'd shift my eyes away from the rear view mirror, and look through the windshield. To keep your 2015 rolling until 2025, focus on religious, well documented maintenance. I dont' think Ford offers any ESP plans for chassis cabs. They didn't used to. But if they do now, I'd strongly consider it with the 6.7. I wouldn't bother spending the money if it were a 6.8L gas. Those have evolved to be as reliable as rain in the Northwest. But the 6.7's, while more reliable than stock 6.0's and 6.4's, are still not without problems. And when problems do show up, they are four and five figure expenses.
Going forward, the principle concern I would have wouldn't not be what turbo the motor has, or what hp it is rated at. I would be more concerned about what kind of record log book I should keep, and should I digitally photo document every service and maintenance procedure, to best preserve the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty, which so often is reported to get denied for lack of proof that the fault isn't the customer's.
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Nytefog... it sounds like you reasonably relied on your dealer at the time of order, and they were not informed. However, your order for a 2015 was rather early, in April 2014. Seemingly for competitive reasons, Ford as a manufacturer is not very forthcoming with future model information until the last minute, presumably to delay the time it would take for competing manufacturers to "catch up". Regardless of their reasons, the lack of available information impacted your decision in a way that might have had a different outcome if you had access to the information.
So what would that difference in outcome be?
Well, you would have had the same engine and drivetrain, regardless of whether you bought a 2014 or ordered a 2015, so that does not present a different outcome for you.
Some might have have been able to pay less for a 2014, but, since you "get a good discount either way", that is not a difference for you.
So the only thing left is the wait time... you waited for your 2015 to be built. But the problem of waiting is already solved... as you now have your truck. And the offset of waiting for a newer model is balanced by having a slightly newer model at trade in time, which may end up being sooner than 10 years, as the reliability of the 6.7 has not yet been proven to last 10 years.
The good news is that your new truck will no doubt feel more powerful than your older van, for a variety of reasons. If I were in your shoes, I'd shift my eyes away from the rear view mirror, and look through the windshield. To keep your 2015 rolling until 2025, focus on religious, well documented maintenance. I dont' think Ford offers any ESP plans for chassis cabs. They didn't used to. But if they do now, I'd strongly consider it with the 6.7. I wouldn't bother spending the money if it were a 6.8L gas. Those have evolved to be as reliable as rain in the Northwest. But the 6.7's, while more reliable than stock 6.0's and 6.4's, are still not without problems. And when problems do show up, they are four and five figure expenses.
Going forward, the principle concern I would have wouldn't not be what turbo the motor has, or what hp it is rated at. I would be more concerned about what kind of record log book I should keep, and should I digitally photo document every service and maintenance procedure, to best preserve the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty, which so often is reported to get denied for lack of proof that the fault isn't the customer's.
So what would that difference in outcome be?
Well, you would have had the same engine and drivetrain, regardless of whether you bought a 2014 or ordered a 2015, so that does not present a different outcome for you.
Some might have have been able to pay less for a 2014, but, since you "get a good discount either way", that is not a difference for you.
So the only thing left is the wait time... you waited for your 2015 to be built. But the problem of waiting is already solved... as you now have your truck. And the offset of waiting for a newer model is balanced by having a slightly newer model at trade in time, which may end up being sooner than 10 years, as the reliability of the 6.7 has not yet been proven to last 10 years.
The good news is that your new truck will no doubt feel more powerful than your older van, for a variety of reasons. If I were in your shoes, I'd shift my eyes away from the rear view mirror, and look through the windshield. To keep your 2015 rolling until 2025, focus on religious, well documented maintenance. I dont' think Ford offers any ESP plans for chassis cabs. They didn't used to. But if they do now, I'd strongly consider it with the 6.7. I wouldn't bother spending the money if it were a 6.8L gas. Those have evolved to be as reliable as rain in the Northwest. But the 6.7's, while more reliable than stock 6.0's and 6.4's, are still not without problems. And when problems do show up, they are four and five figure expenses.
Going forward, the principle concern I would have wouldn't not be what turbo the motor has, or what hp it is rated at. I would be more concerned about what kind of record log book I should keep, and should I digitally photo document every service and maintenance procedure, to best preserve the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty, which so often is reported to get denied for lack of proof that the fault isn't the customer's.
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Nytefog... it sounds like you reasonably relied on your dealer at the time of order, and they were not informed. However, your order for a 2015 was rather early, in April 2014. Seemingly for competitive reasons, Ford as a manufacturer is not very forthcoming with future model information until the last minute, presumably to delay the time it would take for competing manufacturers to "catch up". Regardless of their reasons, the lack of available information impacted your decision in a way that might have had a different outcome if you had access to the information.
So what would that difference in outcome be?
Well, you would have had the same engine and drivetrain, regardless of whether you bought a 2014 or ordered a 2015, so that does not present a different outcome for you.
Some might have have been able to pay less for a 2014, but, since you "get a good discount either way", that is not a difference for you.
So the only thing left is the wait time... you waited for your 2015 to be built. But the problem of waiting is already solved... as you now have your truck. And the offset of waiting for a newer model is balanced by having a slightly newer model at trade in time, which may end up being sooner than 10 years, as the reliability of the 6.7 has not yet been proven to last 10 years.
The good news is that your new truck will no doubt feel more powerful than your older van, for a variety of reasons. If I were in your shoes, I'd shift my eyes away from the rear view mirror, and look through the windshield. To keep your 2015 rolling until 2025, focus on religious, well documented maintenance. I dont' think Ford offers any ESP plans for chassis cabs. They didn't used to. But if they do now, I'd strongly consider it with the 6.7. I wouldn't bother spending the money if it were a 6.8L gas. Those have evolved to be as reliable as rain in the Northwest. But the 6.7's, while more reliable than stock 6.0's and 6.4's, are still not without problems. And when problems do show up, they are four and five figure expenses.
Going forward, the principle concern I would have wouldn't not be what turbo the motor has, or what hp it is rated at. I would be more concerned about what kind of record log book I should keep, and should I digitally photo document every service and maintenance procedure, to best preserve the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty, which so often is reported to get denied for lack of proof that the fault isn't the customer's.
So what would that difference in outcome be?
Well, you would have had the same engine and drivetrain, regardless of whether you bought a 2014 or ordered a 2015, so that does not present a different outcome for you.
Some might have have been able to pay less for a 2014, but, since you "get a good discount either way", that is not a difference for you.
So the only thing left is the wait time... you waited for your 2015 to be built. But the problem of waiting is already solved... as you now have your truck. And the offset of waiting for a newer model is balanced by having a slightly newer model at trade in time, which may end up being sooner than 10 years, as the reliability of the 6.7 has not yet been proven to last 10 years.
The good news is that your new truck will no doubt feel more powerful than your older van, for a variety of reasons. If I were in your shoes, I'd shift my eyes away from the rear view mirror, and look through the windshield. To keep your 2015 rolling until 2025, focus on religious, well documented maintenance. I dont' think Ford offers any ESP plans for chassis cabs. They didn't used to. But if they do now, I'd strongly consider it with the 6.7. I wouldn't bother spending the money if it were a 6.8L gas. Those have evolved to be as reliable as rain in the Northwest. But the 6.7's, while more reliable than stock 6.0's and 6.4's, are still not without problems. And when problems do show up, they are four and five figure expenses.
Going forward, the principle concern I would have wouldn't not be what turbo the motor has, or what hp it is rated at. I would be more concerned about what kind of record log book I should keep, and should I digitally photo document every service and maintenance procedure, to best preserve the 5 year/100,000 mile warranty, which so often is reported to get denied for lack of proof that the fault isn't the customer's.
Just because I get a good discount and price isn't the biggest issue I rather not fork over any more money than need be unless their Is a specific reason to.
I should have listen to my gut and not have ordered the truck so early. They dealer called me and said they can order 2015 f350s so I went and did it. I don't blame anyone but myself but would still like to know if I got a scorpion 2 engine or not. I get yes from ford reps and no from others. I ad hoping a knowledgeable tech would be able to answer questions on the design differences exactly.
NO ESP for commercial vehicles.
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Thanks for the lecture of how to maintain vehicles. I actually keep pdfs of all service, parts purchased, and every receipt from every fill up for all my vehicles. I'm am very OCD when it come to things like this. I like to be organized.
Just because I get a good discount and price isn't the biggest issue I rather not fork over any more money than need be unless their Is a specific reason to.
I should have listen to my gut and not have ordered the truck so early. They dealer called me and said they can order 2015 f350s so I went and did it. I don't blame anyone but myself but would still like to know if I got a scorpion 2 engine or not. I get yes from ford reps and no from others. I ad hoping a knowledgeable tech would be able to answer questions on the design differences exactly.
NO ESP for commercial vehicles.
Just because I get a good discount and price isn't the biggest issue I rather not fork over any more money than need be unless their Is a specific reason to.
I should have listen to my gut and not have ordered the truck so early. They dealer called me and said they can order 2015 f350s so I went and did it. I don't blame anyone but myself but would still like to know if I got a scorpion 2 engine or not. I get yes from ford reps and no from others. I ad hoping a knowledgeable tech would be able to answer questions on the design differences exactly.
NO ESP for commercial vehicles.
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I split your posts out from this thread, as the F-Series engineering team are no longer checking that thread:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...16-2014-a.html
I'm sorry to hear of the issues you had with your dealer. I assume you have asked for reimbursement? If you haven't already, you can call Ford's customer relationship team to lodge an official complaint - it may get you no-where, but its worth a shot.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...16-2014-a.html
I'm sorry to hear of the issues you had with your dealer. I assume you have asked for reimbursement? If you haven't already, you can call Ford's customer relationship team to lodge an official complaint - it may get you no-where, but its worth a shot.
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I'm sorry you didn't get what you thought you were buying. That is always a very frustrating event, but much more so with the price of these trucks. I have a chassis cab, and I have absolutely loved it. It is a 5th wheel pulling son of a gun, I don't need more horsepower or torque. This truck does nothing but pull the 5th wheel, so it's in the garage now for the winter. Yeah I'll get it out for a short ride now and then, but that's about it till camping season is upon us again.
I know this probably doesn't make you feel better, but I tried.
Jim
I know this probably doesn't make you feel better, but I tried.
Jim
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I'm sorry you didn't get what you thought you were buying. That is always a very frustrating event, but much more so with the price of these trucks. I have a chassis cab, and I have absolutely loved it. It is a 5th wheel pulling son of a gun, I don't need more horsepower or torque. This truck does nothing but pull the 5th wheel, so it's in the garage now for the winter. Yeah I'll get it out for a short ride now and then, but that's about it till camping season is upon us again.
I know this probably doesn't make you feel better, but I tried.
Jim
I know this probably doesn't make you feel better, but I tried.
Jim
I shouldn't have a problem then. Have you had any man
Major repairs made to your CC? What rear axle ration so you happen to have?
I really do appreciate the reply without sarcasm, or condescending, replies because I had trusted "Professional" ford fleet commercial sales manger. I found this remark from any other Ford dealer. I wish I had found these remarks earlier before making my purchase when the dealer called to let me know I could come in and place my order for then 2015. I needed to get the rolling on the order because I have to get the body and then have the truck lettered.
http://tomjonesfordcommercial.org/?p=159
The first few sentences explains it all. I wish this dealer was nearby because I would have given them my business on a heartbeat because of their honesty. The also appear to have great knowledge of their products also!
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Nytefog
I don't know why your original post prompted some to reply the way they did. I basically studied the chassis cabs for months before I ordered mine. I knew the engines were rated for less hp/torque and that DID trouble me. However, after much thought and asking several diesel mechanics at Ford dealers I was reassured the truck would comfortably do what I needed it to do.(THEY WERE RIGHT)
My truck project took about a year to put together. First the time studying the pros and cons of buying a pickup(higher hp). Secondly the time getting the bed manufacturer on board designing an installation around a frame mounted hitch. And lastly the Pullrite technical department giving very precise measurements to give to the bed manufacturer. Oh yeah forgot the bed installer working with all the above.
It was all worth the time and phone calls, I'd do it again exactly the same way.
There are technical people here who can tell you exactly what the differences in the pickup engines and the chassis cab engines are. I can't!! I have read the turbo, exhaust system, engine programming and perhaps other items are different. And I believe the way the two engines are tested for the actual horsepower is also different. Our tech people can tell you more on this....
In the end, after four years and 40,000 miles of towing the fifth wheel here is what I CAN TELL YOU..........
The truck has had not been in the shop for ANY repairs. I do all the maintenance, and I'm very particular about it. My 5th wheel is a 35' Holiday Rambler, I think pretty close to 12,000 lbs ready to roll. I have a 4.10 rearend. I drive at 60 mph loaded or empty, and that's 1800 rpm. I get about 18.5-20 mpg empty and about 10.5 -12.5 mpg towing. A headwind or tailwind will of course change everything.
It is a wonderful truck!! Quiet, comfortable and a pleasure to drive on long days of towing. What's not to like??
I hope this helped you in some way, I'd be glad to answer any of your questions I can. Let me know.
Jim
I don't know why your original post prompted some to reply the way they did. I basically studied the chassis cabs for months before I ordered mine. I knew the engines were rated for less hp/torque and that DID trouble me. However, after much thought and asking several diesel mechanics at Ford dealers I was reassured the truck would comfortably do what I needed it to do.(THEY WERE RIGHT)
My truck project took about a year to put together. First the time studying the pros and cons of buying a pickup(higher hp). Secondly the time getting the bed manufacturer on board designing an installation around a frame mounted hitch. And lastly the Pullrite technical department giving very precise measurements to give to the bed manufacturer. Oh yeah forgot the bed installer working with all the above.
It was all worth the time and phone calls, I'd do it again exactly the same way.
There are technical people here who can tell you exactly what the differences in the pickup engines and the chassis cab engines are. I can't!! I have read the turbo, exhaust system, engine programming and perhaps other items are different. And I believe the way the two engines are tested for the actual horsepower is also different. Our tech people can tell you more on this....
In the end, after four years and 40,000 miles of towing the fifth wheel here is what I CAN TELL YOU..........
The truck has had not been in the shop for ANY repairs. I do all the maintenance, and I'm very particular about it. My 5th wheel is a 35' Holiday Rambler, I think pretty close to 12,000 lbs ready to roll. I have a 4.10 rearend. I drive at 60 mph loaded or empty, and that's 1800 rpm. I get about 18.5-20 mpg empty and about 10.5 -12.5 mpg towing. A headwind or tailwind will of course change everything.
It is a wonderful truck!! Quiet, comfortable and a pleasure to drive on long days of towing. What's not to like??
I hope this helped you in some way, I'd be glad to answer any of your questions I can. Let me know.
Jim
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I just read through your posts a bit more.
You will find the 6.7, even with 300hp is a significant improvement over your current 6.0l.
The differences with the pickup engine mostly come down to:
Different Turbocharger
Different programming (i.e. engine gets less fuel)
I'm not sure if the Cab Chassis receives some of the other small updates on the 2015 - changes to the transmission etc.
You will find the 6.7, even with 300hp is a significant improvement over your current 6.0l.
The differences with the pickup engine mostly come down to:
Different Turbocharger
Different programming (i.e. engine gets less fuel)
I'm not sure if the Cab Chassis receives some of the other small updates on the 2015 - changes to the transmission etc.
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After the last post, one more thought.
I was very reluctant to go from my 2004 6.0 with 325 Hp to a 2011 with 300 Hp. I thought I might actually be going backwards as far as pulling the 5th wheel goes. That WAS NOT TRUE. The 2011 with 25 Hp is head and shoulders more capable of pulling the same 5th wheel under any circumstances. And, I might add it gets better mileage, is more quiet, more comfortable and does it with almost never shifting out of 6th. Again, what's not to like????? Of course I also switched from SRW to DRW. That was perhaps the best point of all. Much, much easier to handle the rig now in our strong Midwest crosswinds.
Jim
I was very reluctant to go from my 2004 6.0 with 325 Hp to a 2011 with 300 Hp. I thought I might actually be going backwards as far as pulling the 5th wheel goes. That WAS NOT TRUE. The 2011 with 25 Hp is head and shoulders more capable of pulling the same 5th wheel under any circumstances. And, I might add it gets better mileage, is more quiet, more comfortable and does it with almost never shifting out of 6th. Again, what's not to like????? Of course I also switched from SRW to DRW. That was perhaps the best point of all. Much, much easier to handle the rig now in our strong Midwest crosswinds.
Jim
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Nytefog
I don't know why your original post prompted some to reply the way they did. I basically studied the chassis cabs for months before I ordered mine. I knew the engines were rated for less hp/torque and that DID trouble me. However, after much thought and asking several diesel mechanics at Ford dealers I was reassured the truck would comfortably do what I needed it to do.(THEY WERE RIGHT)
My truck project took about a year to put together. First the time studying the pros and cons of buying a pickup(higher hp). Secondly the time getting the bed manufacturer on board designing an installation around a frame mounted hitch. And lastly the Pullrite technical department giving very precise measurements to give to the bed manufacturer. Oh yeah forgot the bed installer working with all the above.
It was all worth the time and phone calls, I'd do it again exactly the same way.
There are technical people here who can tell you exactly what the differences in the pickup engines and the chassis cab engines are. I can't!! I have read the turbo, exhaust system, engine programming and perhaps other items are different. And I believe the way the two engines are tested for the actual horsepower is also different. Our tech people can tell you more on this....
In the end, after four years and 40,000 miles of towing the fifth wheel here is what I CAN TELL YOU..........
The truck has had not been in the shop for ANY repairs. I do all the maintenance, and I'm very particular about it. My 5th wheel is a 35' Holiday Rambler, I think pretty close to 12,000 lbs ready to roll. I have a 4.10 rearend. I drive at 60 mph loaded or empty, and that's 1800 rpm. I get about 18.5-20 mpg empty and about 10.5 -12.5 mpg towing. A headwind or tailwind will of course change everything.
It is a wonderful truck!! Quiet, comfortable and a pleasure to drive on long days of towing. What's not to like??
I hope this helped you in some way, I'd be glad to answer any of your questions I can. Let me know.
Jim
I don't know why your original post prompted some to reply the way they did. I basically studied the chassis cabs for months before I ordered mine. I knew the engines were rated for less hp/torque and that DID trouble me. However, after much thought and asking several diesel mechanics at Ford dealers I was reassured the truck would comfortably do what I needed it to do.(THEY WERE RIGHT)
My truck project took about a year to put together. First the time studying the pros and cons of buying a pickup(higher hp). Secondly the time getting the bed manufacturer on board designing an installation around a frame mounted hitch. And lastly the Pullrite technical department giving very precise measurements to give to the bed manufacturer. Oh yeah forgot the bed installer working with all the above.
It was all worth the time and phone calls, I'd do it again exactly the same way.
There are technical people here who can tell you exactly what the differences in the pickup engines and the chassis cab engines are. I can't!! I have read the turbo, exhaust system, engine programming and perhaps other items are different. And I believe the way the two engines are tested for the actual horsepower is also different. Our tech people can tell you more on this....
In the end, after four years and 40,000 miles of towing the fifth wheel here is what I CAN TELL YOU..........
The truck has had not been in the shop for ANY repairs. I do all the maintenance, and I'm very particular about it. My 5th wheel is a 35' Holiday Rambler, I think pretty close to 12,000 lbs ready to roll. I have a 4.10 rearend. I drive at 60 mph loaded or empty, and that's 1800 rpm. I get about 18.5-20 mpg empty and about 10.5 -12.5 mpg towing. A headwind or tailwind will of course change everything.
It is a wonderful truck!! Quiet, comfortable and a pleasure to drive on long days of towing. What's not to like??
I hope this helped you in some way, I'd be glad to answer any of your questions I can. Let me know.
Jim
I wish I could try and fight for them to take the truck back and be reimbursed but, I just don't have the time to wait any longer because of work situations. The truck is one of my most essential tools and like i said it's a business only truck (but I basically keep it all the time). It carries well over 100K in tools and parts so with out it no money can be made.
Well, I learned my lesson about ford sales employees and will never buy a vehicle in till all stats are released in writing. I got caught in the hype of the tremendous stock power from the new engine and believed it would be a blessing to have and haul my stuff around.
Since we have a fleet discount program from our product manufacturer all vehicles have to be ordered and can not be taken from dealer inventory....
I thank you for your guys input. Luckily I was told that tuning for the 2014 will be out in a few months so I think every thing will work out. I'm also positive that over the next year the aftermarket industry will produce many products to improve these trucks.
Does anyone have a coolant filtration system or oil bypass filtration system installed on their 6.7? I wasn't sure if it was as crucial as the 6.0 engines. I like to keep all my vehicle maintained properly and go above and beyond what the minimum requirements are.
Do you guys use 5w-40 valvoline blue extreme oil? If not what do you use on your trucks?
Thanks again
PS: sorry for any auto correct issues. I did not "proff read" anything I just wrote.
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I just got a '15 F-350 6.7L. I put the Amssoil dual oil filter system on it at 50 miles. I put the Oil Guard by - pass oil filter on my '04 F-250 6.0. It seemed to work great & the EPS-20 filter element was a good price. The Amsoil not so much. I only went with Amsoil because Oil Guard does not list the 6.7 & looks like they are not staying in the game. I'll get another by - pass system if I find it beneficial in long run.
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