I was all ready to spring on a new 2015 Titanium F-450. Reading the threads on the 2015's was depressing, quite a few complaining about really poor MPGs. The more I thought about, the more I felt uneasy about getting the new 2015. I'm a bit pissed at Ford anyway because I bought a new 2011 F-350 (job 1) back in '10. I'm nervous about even driving it now due to the valve issues that many have had, not a cheap fix if one drops. The more I think about it, the stronger I feel that Ford should have had a recall to replace the left head with the KNOWN bad valves (TSB 13-5-17). So, after much consternation, I've decided to not get the new 2015, but instead to sell my current 2011 with all of 15,000 miles and keep my 2003 Dodge 3500. At least with the Dodge, which has a whopping 68,000 miles and the renowned 5.9 Cummins, repair costs are far more palatable. It runs great, is practically bullet-proof if left stock and the other issues that may arise, well, not nearly as expensive as a $25,000 engine replacement when a valve drops. Yes, the Cummins could drop a valve or break a piston if an injector goes south, but the likelihood of such a failure is WAAAAY lower than the 2011 Job 1 6.7 Ford dropping a valve. Money ahead, in all likelihood, for me.
Ford, get your act together and do what's right for your customers, you should have pulled all the Job 1 6.7s proactively in for head replacement and kept happy customers. It's goodbye Ford for me.
( I didn't even rant about the CP4 fuel pump issues, the crap turbo or the 40,000 mile radiators)

 

Hey Bob, you have the right to do that !!
See ya round .

 

You do what is best for you and that's all you have to worry about!
That 2003 Dodge is way less complicated so I find it difficult to even compare it to the modern, complicated, expensive diesel engines.
My 2011 job 1 is running just fine at 61k. If it blows up, I have a warranty.

 

More reasons why I won't own a diesel.

 

In that case it's obvious that you don't need one. Most people here with diesels have them because they tow. Some for status and others for their own reasons. All I can say is get what you need and are comfy with.

 

Well said cj !!

 

I tow a lot. at least once a week. Mostly cars and equipment. The small back hoe I tow around with trailer weighs in at 11k. The small excavator and trailer are around 12.5. I had a 7.3 that I got rid of for my current truck and have never once missed it. I tow this weight with 35" tires too. I had posted a video a while back of my truck towing 7500lbs. It's no slug.

 

I'm having a hard time following any of your logic Bob. You bought an 11 which I'm guessing you didn't need based of your other truck and the lack of miles on the 11. Your afraid to drive the 11 because a few people had issues with them. Now, you considered yet another truck you don't need, the 2015, and decided against it based on a problem you never had. And, lastly, your selling the low mileage zero issue 2011 to go back to the truck you had all along? Interesting loop you've made there...

 

I don't think that there's any doubt that Ford has (had??) an issue with the exhaust valves, particularly in the Job 1 2011s and CC. When they crack, it's usually a catastrophic failure.
The fact that Ford hasn't rectified this problem with existing owners unless the failure occurred in the 3/36K warranty period is a shame. Do I even have to mention the CP4 failures they've walked away from?
You're quite wrong about the fact that these trucks of mine are unneeded, I have a car which gets used except when I need the truck. The trucks haul every from a 15K 5'er toyhauler, a 4500 lbs. cabover camper towing a 6000 lbs. sled/ATV trailer to 20K when I haul the backhoe.
I'll really miss the 6-speed auto, for the most part, it works really great. I pretty much hate the 48RE in the Dodge, ratios just aren't that great, huge jump from 3-4 and 1st is is only 2.45 so torque converter really has to work to get things started. That is a good part of why I was seriously considering the F-450. The Ford tranny really is nice compared to the 48RE.
Ford isn't totally to blame for my decision, the EPA has really f****d up diesels with the DPF regens in particular, MPGs have really suffered with those.
But the bottom line decision for me was the fact that IMHO, those Job 1 2011s came out with defective exhaust valve and Ford failed to stand behind their product and recall those units for valve replacement. The turbo is also a POS, the truck was always gasping at high altitude. Worse than that, that turbo is known for early failure.
I was looking very hard at the 2015 F-450s, they have tossed the old POS turbo and it looks like the valve issues may be behind them for the most part. But, for all of that, they didn't stand behind their product so do I really want to drop $70K on a new truck with some design changes knowing that Ford will not stand behind any design/manufacturing issues which may arise? I think not. I can put a few $K into the the old Dodge beefing it up with aftermarket front end components and have a truck that's likely to go a quarter million miles or more.
BTW, I've been through a couple of NOx sensors on the Ford and tranny solenoid replacement on the Ford. On the Dodge, the only thing I've done in it's life is a oil pressure sensor replacement. No regens in my future but I'll certainly miss the 6-speed auto. The power difference isn't as great as the published stats make it sound. The Dodge is only rated at 305/555 while the Ford is rated at 400/800 BUT I'll tell ya for sure, here in Colorado at altitude, the difference isn't that great. That sorry POS turbo on the Ford was always wheezing at altitude, the Cummins not a bit even at 11,000 ft.
Summation, I can put a lot of $$$$ into the Dodge and still come out ahead relative to buying a $70K Ford. Did I mention how much better the Dodge/Infinity stereo sounds?

 

Haha ^ that's pretty funny...... I guess I was beat by an other post

 

I'm missing something here, you expect to get great fuel mileage from a 4+ ton truck with 4.10 or higher rear end, just go by a cadillac you might get the mileage you're dreaming about.

 

LOL! That's some funny stuff right there. Whatever makes you feel better. I'll be up all night worrying about my crap turbo, hpfp, and stereo. Oh wait, no I won't. You have had NO major issues with your 6.7 and yet you are afraid to drive it because a tiny number of people have had trouble later in ownership? You better sell everything and hide in your basement cause something might go wrong someday. Yeah, that makes sense... What makes even less sense is you come here bashing the generation of truck that most members own and expect understanding in your paranoid decision that has no basis in reality. Yeah, right there with ya brother.... Enjoy your exit from the horrible world of Ford that you never personally experienced but could happen at any moment...ohhhh scary.....

And, since you had the Dodge all along and your planned mods will allow it to do all your truck needs, then yes, your current Ford and the one you got scared off from buying, are unnecessary...

 

Why are you letting the "thought police" control you Bob?

 

I probably have no business posting in this thread, but I'm gonna anyway. I just bought my 2014 F250 Lariat. Turned in a Hemi 2012 Express (yes a gasser). I don't have, even nearly, the experience many have here in towing and putting the truck to work heavily. I do drive a lot and occasionally carry some load and haul some equipment. I drove the Ram 2500 Cummins a while back, and was not impressed. Drove the Duramax Diesel and thought it felt good. I then drove the 6.7 and I couldn't believe the ride. I read quite a few bad things about the 6.7 around the internet, but many good things just as well. However, I feel I took more to heart the bad reviews simply because the F250 was the one I really wanted. I only put down a few K when I bought the truck, but I had been saving it for a while. Dad had a 2006, I believe or 2004, F250 with the 6.0. EVERYONE had complaints about it, but Dad put it well. He said, "yes I put a few thousand dollars into it at post 180K miles, and it left a bad aftertaste, but common..I drove that 6.0 without maintenance to it for almost 200k miles." Back then i thought the Diesel engine was the best thing to have. I couldn't afford it, but now I can.

I took a trip to San Antonio this past weekend. Driving back on 410 loop a tacoma dropped a baby high seat in the middle of the road just ahead of me. After the baby seat he kept dropping other furniture and at the moment, and after the baby seat miss, I really couldn't tell it was furniture. I took to the left, right and very quickly realized the tacoma had stopped between my lane and the shoulder. I tried not to panic and took to the left again as quickly without loosing control. The last sway to the left was pretty scary. I thought my F250 handled itself very well. I think I'm off to a good start.

Good luck on the truck issue. I honestly don't think you can go wrong with any of the American top 3. Diesel, or Gas. I really feel at this point there is true engineering in every or the top 3 trucks to justify any purchase. The F250 earned my money.

 

I drove and looked at all three too, never forget pulling out of the dealer with that first ford 6.7 I drove. BUT I never paid much attention to the others sound systems, now that I know fiat has better speakers, I'm trading the f250 in tomorrow for a cumminapart!