2003 excursion trans problem please help!
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Brent, are you really trying to include Mark in that 90%? 
It's amazing you can ignore us when we ask you to back up your claims...like when you claim something is simple physics but refuse to post said physics as proof to back up your claim...then you have the gumption to insist that Mark post proof of his information?
To quote some of the more intelligent guys here..."Wow...just wow"
Stewart
It's amazing you can ignore us when we ask you to back up your claims...like when you claim something is simple physics but refuse to post said physics as proof to back up your claim...then you have the gumption to insist that Mark post proof of his information?
To quote some of the more intelligent guys here..."Wow...just wow"
Stewart
More intelligent guys? Are you knocking me?
So I guess you are saying that even with all my years of mechanical expertise it is impossible for me to be right about both threads......c'mon.
Of course I'm not including Mark in the 90% novice category but that test was a long time ago and it could have been about anything and probably wasn't directed at this specific problem.........too many variables.
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To quote another intelligent guy, super wow.
More intelligent guys? Are you knocking me?
I'm just taking an opportunity to acknowledge that there are guys here who are pretty dang smart. And no sarcasm at all when I say you are included in that category.
So I guess you are saying that even with all my years of mechanical expertise it is impossible for me to be right about both threads......c'mon.
Of course I'm not including Mark in the 90% novice category
but that test was a long time ago and it could have been about anything and probably wasn't directed at this specific problem.........too many variables.
Stewart
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Physics can't be posted online to prove a point?
To quote another intelligent guy, super wow.
Not at all, Brent. I include you in the intelligent part.
I'm just taking an opportunity to acknowledge that there are guys here who are pretty dang smart. And no sarcasm at all when I say you are included in that category.
You're right about a ton of stuff, but you're not always right.
Good to know. I really wasn't sure.
You're amazing Brent. You post up that you hope Mark would chime in on the thread, then when he does and tells you you're wrong, you disagree and say his knowledge from his testing is now old and there are too many variables.
Stewart
To quote another intelligent guy, super wow.
Not at all, Brent. I include you in the intelligent part.
I'm just taking an opportunity to acknowledge that there are guys here who are pretty dang smart. And no sarcasm at all when I say you are included in that category.
You're right about a ton of stuff, but you're not always right.
Good to know. I really wasn't sure.
You're amazing Brent. You post up that you hope Mark would chime in on the thread, then when he does and tells you you're wrong, you disagree and say his knowledge from his testing is now old and there are too many variables.
Stewart
There's no cooling being done to the fluid in reverse, is one reason.(from you)
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But you're never in reverse long enough to make any difference in heat plus the fan is still pulling air in, and driving slowly forward doesn't have any ambient ram effect either plus you are normally going much further forward. There is far from enough time in reverse to change any heating (unless you are stuck in sand or something), it's the increased oil pressure in reverse coupled with heat from overall driving that compromises the seal.
Backing a load in soft sand will get the torque converter very hot very fast. And you may not have noticed that I said it will also heat up going forward at low speed. But at least there is some airflow, in reverse you need a headwind that is going faster than you're backing to get much air over the cooler. And yes, I know about the engine fan. At low engine speeds it isn't doing much at all. As the trans gets hot it doesn't engage the fan clutch until the engine gets hot. And that's usually too late for the transmission.
There is no headwind going slowly in forward or reverse to speak of and the average time in reverse is probably only one minute+- so there is no time for reversing to change the heat that is already there. Doing anything in sand will heat it up, that's a given.
Putting it another way; It took many miles to get the trans up to operating temp so backing up for less that a minute won't cause ANY additional heat..............(Not in the sand now.)
Putting it another way; It took many miles to get the trans up to operating temp so backing up for less that a minute won't cause ANY additional heat..............(Not in the sand now.)
Not true according to the testing I did when I was at Ford. You just are plain wrong.
I've said all I'm going to on this subject. I'll leave it to all of you to believe who you want to believe. One of us actually knows how this works and the others just don't understand the system, but are willing to offer their incorrect views of how they want to believe this works.
I've said all I'm going to on this subject. I'll leave it to all of you to believe who you want to believe. One of us actually knows how this works and the others just don't understand the system, but are willing to offer their incorrect views of how they want to believe this works.
I can't prove mine online and he can't prove his so I guess it's just another mystery.
Of course I'm not including Mark in the 90% novice category but that test was a long time ago and it could have been about anything and probably wasn't directed at this specific problem.........too many variables.
Of course I'm not including Mark in the 90% novice category but that test was a long time ago and it could have been about anything and probably wasn't directed at this specific problem.........too many variables.
I get stuff wrong all the time and I'm as close to perfect as one can get! (humor, levity, not serious) Where the problem develops is when a person can never admit when they are wrong, when it's obvious they are.
Lighten up a bit Brent and I bet you'll enjoy FTE a lot more.
Stewart
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Brent, reading the above quotes, can't you see why people get frustrated with you?
I get stuff wrong all the time and I'm as close to perfect as one can get! (humor, levity, not serious) Where the problem develops is when a person can never admit when they are wrong, when it's obvious they are.
Lighten up a bit Brent and I bet you'll enjoy FTE a lot more.
Stewart
I get stuff wrong all the time and I'm as close to perfect as one can get! (humor, levity, not serious) Where the problem develops is when a person can never admit when they are wrong, when it's obvious they are.
Lighten up a bit Brent and I bet you'll enjoy FTE a lot more.
Stewart
....just read all that gibberish but not going to pick it apart........I do have a job.
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Nope not true, I would admit I was wrong about anything in a second if I though I was. They get frustrated because they don't always get the answer and those same guys (didn't read all that yet) are always in here jabbing...you know that. Also; I have never seen you admit to anything.
....just read all that gibberish but not going to pick it apart........I do have a job.
....just read all that gibberish but not going to pick it apart........I do have a job.
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I used the term self-depreciating when I meant self-deprecating. Just a mental mistake on my part. Got corrected and I said thanks.
I also gave bad torque specs on some suspension stuff and a user (I think it was Robert Ross) actually busted a bolt because of me.
I checked my source and indeed the source I had relied on was incorrect, so I researched the info and changed the posted torque values so I wouldn't screw anyone else up.
There have been a few more where I thanked the user who corrected my bad info (can't remember what it was now) and made sure to edit my post so I didn't lead anyone else astray.
But none of that really matters because, honestly bud, it's not about me.
I am truly trying to help you.
There's nothing to pick apart Brent.
You posted you hoped Mark would chime in on the thread, he did and said you were wrong, and then you dismissed his posts.
I tried Brent....I've been trying for years.
I'm sorry you don't see it. I really am sorry because I have a soft spot for you bud. You've provided a lot of help here over the years.
Stewart
I also gave bad torque specs on some suspension stuff and a user (I think it was Robert Ross) actually busted a bolt because of me.
I checked my source and indeed the source I had relied on was incorrect, so I researched the info and changed the posted torque values so I wouldn't screw anyone else up.
There have been a few more where I thanked the user who corrected my bad info (can't remember what it was now) and made sure to edit my post so I didn't lead anyone else astray.
But none of that really matters because, honestly bud, it's not about me.
I am truly trying to help you.
....just read all that gibberish but not going to pick it apart........I do have a job.
You posted you hoped Mark would chime in on the thread, he did and said you were wrong, and then you dismissed his posts.
I tried Brent....I've been trying for years.
I'm sorry you don't see it. I really am sorry because I have a soft spot for you bud. You've provided a lot of help here over the years.
Stewart
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I used the term self-depreciating when I meant self-deprecating. Just a mental mistake on my part. Got corrected and I said thanks.
I also gave bad torque specs on some suspension stuff and a user (I think it was Robert Ross) actually busted a bolt because of me.
I checked my source and indeed the source I had relied on was incorrect, so I researched the info and changed the posted torque values so I wouldn't screw anyone else up.
There have been a few more where I thanked the user who corrected my bad info (can't remember what it was now) and made sure to edit my post so I didn't lead anyone else astray.
But none of that really matters because, honestly bud, it's not about me.
I am truly trying to help you.
There's nothing to pick apart Brent.
You posted you hoped Mark would chime in on the thread, he did and said you were wrong, and then you dismissed his posts.
I tried Brent....I've been trying for years.
I'm sorry you don't see it. I really am sorry because I have a soft spot for you bud. You've provided a lot of help here over the years.
Stewart
I also gave bad torque specs on some suspension stuff and a user (I think it was Robert Ross) actually busted a bolt because of me.
I checked my source and indeed the source I had relied on was incorrect, so I researched the info and changed the posted torque values so I wouldn't screw anyone else up.
There have been a few more where I thanked the user who corrected my bad info (can't remember what it was now) and made sure to edit my post so I didn't lead anyone else astray.
But none of that really matters because, honestly bud, it's not about me.
I am truly trying to help you.
There's nothing to pick apart Brent.
You posted you hoped Mark would chime in on the thread, he did and said you were wrong, and then you dismissed his posts.
I tried Brent....I've been trying for years.
I'm sorry you don't see it. I really am sorry because I have a soft spot for you bud. You've provided a lot of help here over the years.
Stewart
Back to mark; yes he chimed in but he referred to some test they did years ago and I started thinking; "test on what? about what? Was there a specific test on only warming up and then reversing for one+- minute at 5 mph?" I just can't call that positive proof and like I said; lots of things in here end up as mysteries.
When I was a carpenter the architects had one view and we had another and when I was a mechanic the engineers had other views also.
Wow to the third power.