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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 05:36 PM
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"How-To" Install bedsides

I been asked many times what is involved with replacing bed sides. So I figured I would do a step by step procedure an show what all is involved. I live in the North East and my trucks get driven in all weather conditions so I go the EXTRA MILE to make sure the repair lasts a LONG TIME. I may be going overboard for the southern guys, but If you live anywhere near salt and plan on keeping the truck for any amount of time, I HIGHLY recommend doing doing exactly this.

1st.
Take the bed off the truck(unhook wiring, fuel fillers and 6 bolts holding the bed down. Remove exhaust shields from the underside of the bed and set on a stable level set of horses.

2nd.
Find the spot welds that hold the skins on to the bed. There are A LOT approx 80 spot welds on a short bed. You will need a 1/8" bit and 3/8" spot weld bit.(inner lip{30}, wheel well{15}, front edge of bed{15}, rear tailgate opening{15}), small lip under tail light{5})
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Drill into the center of each spot weld with the 1/8" bit, but do NOT drill all the way thru. Just make a dimple for the centering bit of the spot bit to stay in place.


4th.
After putting the dimple in each weld, use the Spot drill to "cut out" each spot weld. Again, you do NOT want to go all the way thru. Just thru the outer skin, NOT the inner structure.


5th.
You need a body chisel to cut thru the remainder of the weld. You just get between the panel and hammer it thru the weld. If you have to hammer really hard, you did not drill out the spot weld correctly. If you did, the chisel will cut right thru. Once all the welds are cut, you can remove the side. Same procedure for each side.
(NOTE, mine has the huge well well opening because I converted my try to a dually)


6th.
Now this is my perogative but again, I drive in the elements and I want it to last I sandblast the ENTIRE underside of the bed, The inner wheel well arches and associated hardware(note drain holes added to the inner arches to allow for drainage AND accessibility to clean. I remove the arch completely to do a better job of cleaning and painting)



 
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Old Jul 10, 2014 | 05:45 PM
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I then spray all the freshly sandblasted metal with POR15 as a primer/sealer(note POR ONLY sticks to rusted or sandblasted metal. It does NOT work on CLEAN new metal or painted surfaces). Then I topcoat while the POR15 is still tacky with Black Tractor paint or chassis paint. Both are very tough and have the correct sheen for a chassis(NOTE, I use NO HARDENER to keep it soft and resist chipping).




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I prep the backsides of the new bed skins. I do NOT sandblast the skins. They are far too thin to take the abuse from the sandblaster and I risk warping them. I simply sand them with 220grit paper to thoroughly rough the E-coat. I then spray Epoxy Primer as a sealer and protector. The again while the Primer is still tacky, I topcoat with the tractor Black or chassis black.(no pics yet, I am doing this as I type, pics come later. I will finish the write up as I proceed)
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Old Jul 11, 2014 | 07:22 PM
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It was a late night the other night so i did not make much progress.
But tonight I got some more done

I had to remove the partial front bulkhead on the aftermarket sides(I want to retain my original ones) and I also removed the "tailgate mounting support"(again i wanted to retain my original pieces)
Partial bulkhead

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then sanded the E-coat thoroughly


2 coats of Epoxy prime



2 Coats of "chassis black"



Hopefully this weekend I can get at least one of the sides bonded on
 
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Old Jul 12, 2014 | 06:02 AM
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Excellent. I'll be paying attention to this thread as I'll be doing the same thing. I do have a question though: Why did you use epoxy and not Por15 on the new skins as the sealer/protector? I know Por15 doesn't stick to new metal very well, but you sanded the e-coat - is that not a rough-enough surface for the Por15 to stick to?
 
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Old Jul 12, 2014 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by joegeds
Excellent. I'll be paying attention to this thread as I'll be doing the same thing. I do have a question though: Why did you use epoxy and not Por15 on the new skins as the sealer/protector? I know Por15 doesn't stick to new metal very well, but you sanded the e-coat - is that not a rough-enough surface for the Por15 to stick to?
Please read the first sentence in post#2 above...... your answer is there....
 
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Old Jul 12, 2014 | 12:46 PM
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Excellent. I'll be paying attention to this thread as I'll be doing the same thing. I do have a question though: Why did you use epoxy and not Por15 on the new skins as the sealer/protector? I know Por15 doesn't stick to new metal very well, but you sanded the e-coat - is that not a rough-enough surface for the Por15 to stick to?
POR ONLY sticks to rusted or sandblasted metal. It does NOT work on CLEAN new metal or painted surfaces
 
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Old Jul 12, 2014 | 08:29 PM
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Awesome post! I thought I was thorough. You do excellent work. I've seen so many poor box side jobs which fail due to rust but the way you're doing it I can't see it failing. Thanks for sharing.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2014 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad
POR ONLY sticks to rusted or sandblasted metal. It does NOT work on CLEAN new metal or painted surfaces
OK, I guess I should rephrase my question then: If I have a piece of metal that is painted, and I "rough it up" (ie, so that the paint is sanded but not removed) with sand paper, will POR15 stick to it? I get that it won't stick to clean metal, or a clean, painted surface. Brad, you said that you sanded the e-coat - I would think that a sanded surface would be rough enough for POR15 to stick to.
 
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Originally Posted by joegeds
OK, I guess I should rephrase my question then: If I have a piece of metal that is painted, and I "rough it up" (ie, so that the paint is sanded but not removed) with sand paper, will POR15 stick to it? I get that it won't stick to clean metal, or a clean, painted surface. Brad, you said that you sanded the e-coat - I would think that a sanded surface would be rough enough for POR15 to stick to.
According to POR, NO it does NOT stick to paint. It has to go on rusted or Sandblasted metal.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2014 | 11:01 AM
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That looks like a hell of a lot of work. Nice job!
 
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Old Jul 13, 2014 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by joegeds
OK, I guess I should rephrase my question then: If I have a piece of metal that is painted, and I "rough it up" (ie, so that the paint is sanded but not removed) with sand paper, will POR15 stick to it? I get that it won't stick to clean metal, or a clean, painted surface. Brad, you said that you sanded the e-coat - I would think that a sanded surface would be rough enough for POR15 to stick to.
No. It's POR, not POP.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2014 | 09:50 PM
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Wow! I can't wait to see the final product! Awesome work as always Brad.

How many hours does it take you to do a job like this? What sort of price range would the paint, cleaners, etc run? Just trying to gauge when/if this might be a viable job for myself to take on.
 
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 04:51 AM
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Wow! I can't wait to see the final product! Awesome work as always Brad.

How many hours does it take you to do a job like this? What sort of price range would the paint, cleaners, etc run? Just trying to gauge when/if this might be a viable job for myself to take on.
If I didn't have to sandblast the bed liner off the bottom side of the bed.....

1 hour to remove bed
2.5 hours to remove both sides
2 hour to sandblast underside of bed
2 hours to POR and paint bottom side of bed
2 hour to prep bed sides
1 hour to prime & paint bed sides
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10.5 so far


Material

$406 drivers side skin
$438 passenger side skin
$38 1 qt POR15
$106 for 3 quarts of epoxy prime and hardener
$47 for gallon of chassis black
$68 for 2 quarts of color
$130 for gallon of clear w hardener
$36 for 300lbs of sand
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$1269 so far
 
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 05:56 AM
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Brad,

That looks great. Nice work.

Are you going to glue the panels on or weld them?

Thanks,

Joe W
 
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Old Jul 14, 2014 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel_Brad
If I didn't have to sandblast the bed liner off the bottom side of the bed.....

1 hour to remove bed
2.5 hours to remove both sides
2 hour to sandblast underside of bed
2 hours to POR and paint bottom side of bed
2 hour to prep bed sides
1 hour to prime & paint bed sides
___________
10.5 so far


Material

$406 drivers side skin
$438 passenger side skin
$38 1 qt POR15
$106 for 3 quarts of epoxy prime and hardener
$47 for gallon of chassis black
$68 for 2 quarts of color
$130 for gallon of clear w hardener
$36 for 300lbs of sand
_____________________________

$1269 so far
Perfect! Thank you!
 
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