Numerous 6.0 Problems
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From: Middle Tn.
They can stick and corrode that is true, but a good part of that also has to do with how the truck is used, quality of fuel (and if there is some type of over fueling device on there). Also how the EGR is operating.
Most of those listed points to something else going on.
Now, I high failure rate can either point to a certain design flaw or that there is something else going on that contributes to the problem (a la repeated EGR Cooler failures when the Oil Cooler wasn't replaced as well).
I had maybe 70k on my stock turbo, then I got Matt's (Spartan) 04, had that about 20k and then I went to the non-vgt turbo when I got my injectors done as well. So it's been a long time since I've experienced a stock turbo.
Most of those listed points to something else going on.
Now, I high failure rate can either point to a certain design flaw or that there is something else going on that contributes to the problem (a la repeated EGR Cooler failures when the Oil Cooler wasn't replaced as well).
I had maybe 70k on my stock turbo, then I got Matt's (Spartan) 04, had that about 20k and then I went to the non-vgt turbo when I got my injectors done as well. So it's been a long time since I've experienced a stock turbo.
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From: L.A. (Lower Alabama)
I think you're being too kind. If someone has replaced their turbo that often then they are either misdiagnosing (again), improperly installing them, or are just plain ignorant. I find it hard to believe the vanes would stick so quickly on a new turbo unless they drive it 2 miles down the road and shut it off before it gets warmed up. And well if that's the case...it's time to get a gasser.
A lot of customers aren't particularly tech savvy I know, and get taken advantage of. That shop would probably never have sold me the second turbo. I would have know exactly what was wrong with the first one before I left and 10k mi down the road when the replacement failed I would have wanted to know why exactly. The wrong answer would have caused me to become their nightmare customer.
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From: Foothills, CA
Not to argue Tex but, the turbos on the 05 thru 07's are known weak links. I'm on my 3rd one in 60,000 miles, my neighbor is on #5 and a co-worker also was on #5. He finally got rid of his. Ford/Garret did cut releifs in the replacement versions however the turbos still have a propensity to stick and corrode. You'll notice the 2011's and up have had very few turbo problems.
I can't speak for the 03/early 04's that had a diff. number of veins.
I can't speak for the 03/early 04's that had a diff. number of veins.
Is it possible for fuel additives to help in this area?? I've ordered some of the new Archoil AR6400-D, but I was mainly planning to try it in my Bobcat, maybe I should re-think this and do the truck too...
69: Have they been telling you (or do you know) what actually is failing and is it the same each time?
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From: Middle Tn.
Interesting -- it's the 1st I had heard of this too. I know they 1st fixed the oil feed line (to non-flex) then the drain line for better flow (claimed oil was coking bearing/bushings w/o enough oil flow), and then there was the machining change (unison ring?) -- those updates were in production all around '06. Our truck sits a lot, the turbo has been cleaned once, but nothing reported as being all that sooted up. I do "exercise" it and run Diesel Kleen...
Is it possible for fuel additives to help in this area?? I've ordered some of the new Archoil AR6400-D, but I was mainly planning to try it in my Bobcat, maybe I should re-think this and do the truck too...
69: Have they been telling you (or do you know) what actually is failing and is it the same each time?
Is it possible for fuel additives to help in this area?? I've ordered some of the new Archoil AR6400-D, but I was mainly planning to try it in my Bobcat, maybe I should re-think this and do the truck too...
69: Have they been telling you (or do you know) what actually is failing and is it the same each time?
Post Fiend
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From: Plano TX and Brentwood TN
You know, I just have to have been exceptionally lucky as I never have used any type of additive at all. Never even cleaned my EGR valve once (I don't even know the procedure to do it).
It really makes it hard for me to believe that there isn't something else going on (may not even be thought of as a possible point of concern).
It really makes it hard for me to believe that there isn't something else going on (may not even be thought of as a possible point of concern).
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Add me to the list that is surprised by the statement that failure of 06 turbo's is common!
From Ford:
The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and solid supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."
From Ford:
The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and solid supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."
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From: Middle Tn.
Add me to the list that is surprised by the statement that failure of 06 turbo's is common!
From Ford:
The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and solid supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."
From Ford:
The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and solid supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."
Fleet Owner
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I hear ya Mike. Definitely not trying to argue or contradict - just surprised.
What would NOT surprise me is that the remanufactured units are not reliable. This seems to be a common theme with quite a few parts.
What would NOT surprise me is that the remanufactured units are not reliable. This seems to be a common theme with quite a few parts.
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Fleet Owner
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Oh - I just remembered Mike, you have an 05 and the improvements I mentioned are for 06 and up (and I believe they were only on the commonized 06's). Still, I am somewhat surprised that the 05's would be THAT bad as to view them as a "weak link".
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From: Abilene, Texas
Add me to the list that is surprised by the statement that failure of 06 turbo's is common!
From Ford:
The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and solid supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."
From Ford:
The 06's and up had some turbo slight improvements as well as the "commonization". Larger oil drain tube and solid supply line and "A Revised Machined Recess Turbocharger (5c3z-6k682-ca) Designed Exclusively To Address Corrosion Related Turbocharger Performance Is Now Available In Service."
I just have a hard time seeing the turbos as common problem. As many of these trucks that I work on I don't see that many failures. I do see my fair share of vains sticking though.
Post Fiend
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From: Plano TX and Brentwood TN
Would that be for the 06s built in 05?
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From: Manteca,Ca
I have only had half of my Turbo worked on when the heads popped cleaned the rust up and put the thing back together no Problems since then . I do run Howe's 4oz every fill with 5/40 synthetic oil so maybe this has something to do with no stuck vanes well and the truck is driven every day and not like a Sunday driver ether.
Post Fiend
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From: Plano TX and Brentwood TN
Yet another thing that my truck didn't have and yet it miraculously managed to give me many trouble free yrs and miles.
Oh by the way, I never had to take care of the STC when I had the truck. I know you were always amazed that I never had that taken care of.
I'm usually not this lucky, I really need to play the lotto.
