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Old Apr 14, 2014 | 10:05 PM
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Aux. idle control headache

I just installed a idle control module, the enhanced one with the six pin connector. When I start the truck it shows engine rpm, the buttons all illuminate but only the red power led is lit. Pressing any of the buttons doesn't change anything. Anybody have any ideas? The park brake is set, its in park, foot off brake. Thanks.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 05:42 AM
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This is foreign to me. I just saw an "idle control" on eBay... it had a vacuum-controlled valve and a pull chain in the kit. Oh gawd. Why would anybody say that was for a 7.3L? Is it possible the 7.3L modding has arrived at the point where we are singled out as targets for scams? I thought it was just corporate-sponsored scams (Dorman), now I'm learning it's crazed individual making IEDs (Improvised Ebay Deceptions) out of random parts... just for us.

Do you have any details on this device?
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:58 AM
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I would check the connections. I have never had an issue with mine. Plug and play. I have the manual for it somewhere, I can try and dig it out and see if it says anything about it in there.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:20 AM
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I have a high-idle tune on my tuner for this. Just a thought.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:35 AM
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Maybe something in here will help.

http://www.fordtechservice.dealercon...lance_APCM.pdf
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 10:54 AM
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When you set the parking brake, does the brake light on the dash illuminate? If not, you might have a bad switch preventing the AIC from operating. You can do a couple continuity tests on the wiring too. You should have less than 5 ohms resistance from the vehicle side of the AIC connector pin #3 to the OBD connector pin #10, and from the vehicle side of the AIC pin #4 to the OBD connector pin #2.

Pin #1 of the AIC connector should have continuity to ground, and pin #2 should have +12v. Those are probably fine since the AIC does power up.

The OBD connector pins are:
Code:
____________________________
\  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  /
 \ 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 /
The AIC connector pins are:
Code:
  1  2 -
[       
  3  4 -
   |

(The side with the '[' is the side with the locking tab)
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 06:53 PM
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I have less than five ohms between pin 4 on aic connector and pin 10 on
obc connector and between also between pin 3 on aic and pin 2 on obd connector. Good power and ground too. Thanks.
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 07:08 PM
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I just looked at the truck with AE and found that every switch checks out but the throttle pedal, it says that its in partial state, with a voltage of .62, Is this my problem?
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pikachu
When you set the parking brake, does the brake light on the dash illuminate? If not, you might have a bad switch preventing the AIC from operating.
Plus 1! This is exactly what I put up with for YEARS. Depressing the parking brake, not noticing that the brake dash light didn't illuminate, pressing the APCM buttons, nothing happening.

It took me five years to finally get it through my head to check the instrument panel for the red brake light before trying to press buttons on the APCM.

It took me an additional seven years to finally get tired of it, and fix the root cause of the problem, as detailed below:

Here's a cheap, easy, and quick "tip" (literally) to fix why the red indicator light doesn't illuminate on the dash when the emergency brake is applied.

The problem isn't just that the little light doesn't come on... the real problem is that other modules that depend on that switch to be enabled won't work until it is fixed. The Auxiliary Powertrain Control Module is one example. It won't work unless it KNOWS that the emergency brake is set, and the only way it knows is via this little switch that is mounted above the emergency brake foot pedal, and is pictured below:




It's a plunger switch... but WD-40 won't fix it. While spraying WD-40 on the spring and shaft may temporarily lubricate the plunger action, that action isn't the problem. The problem is with the bridge disc (see top horizontal washer like disc) having too much play in the reduced diameter of the top of the plunger shaft (see exposed shaft neck down right below the disc) which results in the bridge disc not "bridging" the contacts.

The problem is worsened with generous applications of WD-40, because as the less viscous solutions in the formula evaporate, a sticky guey film is left on the bridge disc and top edges of the contact plates that insulates the two from making electrical contact, like a DIE-electric grease.

Why is it failing to make contact if it hasn't been sprayed? From playing with this switch quite a bit, I believe the contact failure is mechanical in nature, due to the amount of play between the inside diameter of the bridge disc and the outside diameter of the top portion of the plunger shaft, that is turned down to accommodate the disc, and then swedged at the tip to retain the disc.

In action, the disc can get cockeyed at an angle, and hang between a contact on one side, and an angular contact between the ID of the disc hole to the OD of the turned down shaft. This angular hang stops the plunger from travel, and allows the disc to float just above the contact plate on one side, while engaged with the contact plate on the other.

So what is the cheap, easy, and quick tip to fix it?



Yes, a rubber tip!

The above is a facsimile of a rubber bumper I installed over the top of the plunger shaft. The actual bumper I used had a less rounded profile, which works better for stabilizing the bridge disc, but this photo is intended to show why this tip works so easily and well.

The key is that the tip top of the plunger shaft, at the swedged end, fits snugly inside the hole at bottom of the bumper that the photo above depicts. The bumper base seats just as snugly against the top of the bridge disc, and hence reduces the axial play along the turned down annular groove at the top of the shaft.

With the rubber tip installed, the gap is eliminated, which disallows the bridge disc from getting hung up at an angle, or catching its ID with the OD of the let-in portion of the shaft. The elimination of this play results in a decidedly more consistent contact bridge when the emergency brake is applied. Here is what it looks like with the tip in place:



The important thing to look at in this photo is the plunger shaft diameter right underneath the bridge disc. Notice how much thicker it is here, in this photo of the fixed switch, versus how much thinner it is in the very first photo of this write up? The annular groove is observable in the first photo, but it is no longer visible in this photo. This is because the top of the shaft has been shoved into the bottom hole of the rubber bumper, such that the base of that bumper is shoved down on top of the bridge disc, stabilizing it.

The actual "tip" top of the rubber bumper does not "bump" against anything, and can be cut off entirely if not desired. Only the bottom flange of this bumper is used, and only due to the great disparity between its ID and OD, where other available rubber washers and grommets wouldn't work because their ID is too large to fit snugly around the top of the shaft.

Here is what this cheap, easy, and quick tip looks like after being installed back under the dash:



As seen above, the bumper's conical insertion/retention tip doesn't contact anything. It's just sitting up there in black space. Only the base, or the broader "meat" of the bumper, is used to stabilize the bridge disc on the shaft, which results in more consistent contact engagement.

My Emergency Brake Light works now! Which means my APCM no longer has to endure a half dozen button pushes before I remembered that the E brake switch is hung up, again. Time after time, that gets old. Well, this little "tip" fixed the problem, for good!
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 23larry24
I just looked at the truck with AE and found that every switch checks out but the throttle pedal, it says that its in partial state, with a voltage of .62, Is this my problem?
It could be. Did it show any trouble codes?
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 08:39 PM
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No trouble codes, took the sensor out of the truck and two pins had continuity off idle and open at idle
 
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Old Apr 15, 2014 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
Here's a cheap, easy, and quick "tip" (literally) to fix why the red indicator light doesn't illuminate on the dash when the emergency brake is applied.....snip
Two points, one of some substance, and the other more in the "that's no moon" category:

A) this was a great post with specific instructions and awesome photos. Hopefully it will benefit the OP. Reps unto you!

B) Dude, you modded your truck!! For one of the most OEM Ford-philic people on the forum, this is a major breakthru in principle, and that deserves celebration! Quick my FTE bretheren, drum circle and double rum rations!!
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 06:44 PM
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Can throttle pedal assemly fail but not enough to set a code? The voltage for the sensor is in range, the ivs switch bench test ok, but on the ae it says partial throttle?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 06:48 PM
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Was this working before then stopped, or did you just buy it and install it and it hasn't worked at all? Do you have a friend with a truck you could try it in to rule out the possibility the APCM itself is malfunctioning?
 
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Old Apr 16, 2014 | 06:58 PM
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This is my first time trying it, so it could be the unit itself. It just seems odd that AE says throttle is in partial state at idle.
Is this normal?
 
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