Roof Replacement Problem/Question
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Roof Replacement Problem/Question
I just got a new roof installed by a professional roofing company on Thursday. The materials and installation process looked great. I took pictures as they did the work.
Now, part of the quote was to replace the old fireplace flashing and install new flashing.
My problem with it is I believe that they did a shoddy job and cut and wacked away the wood trim pieces.
See the attached pics. They did put clear caulking on most of the exposed wood but it looks like a poorly done repair to me.
Now is this normal or should I bring up a complaint to the Roofing Company?
(FYI, in July/August of 2013, I personally replaced all that 1in x 4in exterior cedar wood trim, and custom ordered plywood paneling, caulked, primed, painted and sealed the pieces. So I can replace these parts. It just seems frustrating that I have to do that.)
Now, part of the quote was to replace the old fireplace flashing and install new flashing.
My problem with it is I believe that they did a shoddy job and cut and wacked away the wood trim pieces.
See the attached pics. They did put clear caulking on most of the exposed wood but it looks like a poorly done repair to me.
Now is this normal or should I bring up a complaint to the Roofing Company?
(FYI, in July/August of 2013, I personally replaced all that 1in x 4in exterior cedar wood trim, and custom ordered plywood paneling, caulked, primed, painted and sealed the pieces. So I can replace these parts. It just seems frustrating that I have to do that.)
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Besides the feculent looking work it looks to be a future leak on the upward side of the chimney.
Google image search "correct chimney flashing" for pics, then note the UN-flashed areas at the base of your chimney!
If in doubt go pour a bucket of water on the area and watch where it puddles. That's nasty.
Google image search "correct chimney flashing" for pics, then note the UN-flashed areas at the base of your chimney!
If in doubt go pour a bucket of water on the area and watch where it puddles. That's nasty.
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Yes, it's flashed on all four sides. They did replace the flashing the same way it was installed. You cant tell by those pics but the flashing is behind the plywood and cedar trim and extends in all four directions under the asphalt shingles. And when I go up there to repaint the wood I always recaulk the shingle edge that meets up with the flashing in an effort to control water and ice creapage.
My concern in the pics above is the plywood and trim board crap patchwork. I'm sure it's not going to be water tight. I'm sure i'm going to replace the pieces properly.
But i'm not sure if that is something a home owner is expected to do when they pay to have a roof replaced. This is our first roof purchase.
My concern in the pics above is the plywood and trim board crap patchwork. I'm sure it's not going to be water tight. I'm sure i'm going to replace the pieces properly.
But i'm not sure if that is something a home owner is expected to do when they pay to have a roof replaced. This is our first roof purchase.
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that looks like a third grader did the work.
wood cracked down the middle and tacked back together, and the bottom pieces looks like it was cut with a power saw and just slapped back together.
that whole thing is a leak waiting to happen.
i would demand they fix it to the way it was before they started.
wood cracked down the middle and tacked back together, and the bottom pieces looks like it was cut with a power saw and just slapped back together.
that whole thing is a leak waiting to happen.
i would demand they fix it to the way it was before they started.
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Any chimney in the middle of a slope like that should have a cricket built on the uphill side--basically a mini roof peak that is the width of the chimney to divert water around the chimney. Like this:
http://inspectapedia.com/roof/Chimne...et171-DJFs.jpg
I agree that it's a shoddy repair, too. On top of that, I'll bet the clear sealant is silicone, which is not paintable, so even if you were to paint over the "fix", the paint would fail in short order.
Jason
http://inspectapedia.com/roof/Chimne...et171-DJFs.jpg
I agree that it's a shoddy repair, too. On top of that, I'll bet the clear sealant is silicone, which is not paintable, so even if you were to paint over the "fix", the paint would fail in short order.
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Okay, I priced out the replacement wood, caulk, primer, and paint. It was about $54 just for the materials. What would a fair labor cost charge be to replace the four vertical 1x4 cedar trim corner pieces, caulk, prime, and paint the whole north face pieces?
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Labor depends on the area, but you could get (approximate) estimates from other contractors using your photos.
Flashing UNDER external wood doesn't protect the wood. It should have been external.
Flashing UNDER external wood doesn't protect the wood. It should have been external.
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Good stuff. I've seen flashing on the outside of brick chimneys but not wood faciad chimneys. I guess the building codes were different in 1987, when this house was built. I agree it should have a cricket to help shed water and snow away. But I just had the repairs done in the same way the house was built. It probably takes more maintenance and effort, but i'm on the roof several times a year so I am proactive, not reactive. Oh well, I don't plan to retire in this house anyway.
Thanks for the advice ya'll.
Thanks for the advice ya'll.
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Any chimney in the middle of a slope like that should have a cricket built on the uphill side--basically a mini roof peak that is the width of the chimney to divert water around the chimney. Like this:
http://inspectapedia.com/roof/Chimne...et171-DJFs.jpg
I agree that it's a shoddy repair, too. On top of that, I'll bet the clear sealant is silicone, which is not paintable, so even if you were to paint over the "fix", the paint would fail in short order.Jason
http://inspectapedia.com/roof/Chimne...et171-DJFs.jpg
I agree that it's a shoddy repair, too. On top of that, I'll bet the clear sealant is silicone, which is not paintable, so even if you were to paint over the "fix", the paint would fail in short order.Jason
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Looking at it again, something I forgot is that all that wood siding and trim should be cut back from the roof 1-2". Otherwise, whenever it rains, that wood will wick up some of the flowing water, push the paint off, then rot.
The chimney pic I linked to was brick, and had a metal cricket and counterflashing. On your chimney, the siding is the counterflashing. A cricket could be made from plywood and shingles, though, which would match your roof.
Here's one that's a little more like yours:
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/23...c4284585d5.jpg
Jason
The chimney pic I linked to was brick, and had a metal cricket and counterflashing. On your chimney, the siding is the counterflashing. A cricket could be made from plywood and shingles, though, which would match your roof.
Here's one that's a little more like yours:
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/23...c4284585d5.jpg
Jason
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Update: I spoke with the Roofing company owner and he fully understood my concerns and had no problem reimbursing me for the material costs. I expected to have an argument on my hands but he was actually easy to work with. I asked for a couple of packs of the same roofing tiles, in case we need to replace any small spots in the future and he's gonna just give those to me at no charge instead of discounting the repair wood parts from the total check. They actually cost more than the wood replacement parts, so i'm making out better on the deal. 
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Replacing the wood trim up there I'd look into the new composite or PVC trim made to dimensional lumber sizes. Its more expensive but tends to outlast real wood enough that its worth the extra cost.
I'm not lazy but spending a few more dollars to avoid another replacement anytime soon is always a good idea to me!
Glad your roofer stood by his work and kept a satisfied customer.
I'm not lazy but spending a few more dollars to avoid another replacement anytime soon is always a good idea to me!
Glad your roofer stood by his work and kept a satisfied customer.
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