Ditto.

 

A lot of things about JFK's assassination make me wonder. I still find it hard to believe that Oswald could fire off that many shots in that short of a time, and be that accurate. I've only seen the historical news footage of him (obviously), but nervous Lee just does not come across to me as the type of fellow who could have demonstrated such precision marksmanship in that kind of situation.

And I don't buy the "magic bullet" theory, either. Tell me something else and I might believe it, but don't tell me that this particular bullet defied the laws of physics and acted the way the Warren Commission says it did.

 

I forgot about the whole moon alnding thing. I don't think that we did, and for 2 reasons- 1) What would happen if the commies had beat us to outer space AND the moon? wouldn't look good for the "worlds largest super power" to lose to the reds.
and 2) special effects from today have spoiled us and we see that 30+ year old movie magic is childs play today. I am sure that they were rather convincing back then, but today, they are almost comical.

 

Which is exactly why there is no possible way that some kind of gigantic movie production put on by NASA, complete with 1969 special effects, could ever stand the test of time, just looking at it from a movie-making perspective.

And there is no way such a huge conspiracy involving so many people could ever remain as neatly tied up as this (alleged) one has.

The images of the astronauts walking on the moon that were broadcast in 1969 are as real now as they were then. They've never looked anything like 1969 movie science fiction to me.

 

The theory that President Roosevelt knew that the Japanese had the intention of attacking Pearl Harbor and yet did nothing about it. Or Worse still, that he wanted them to so a staunchly isolationist America would be drawn into the war.

There have been some pretty convincing arguments put forth from both sides on this one. By people who would know.

On the one hand, there are about a dozen things that WERE ordered that were COMPLETELY out of the ordinary as far as our preparedness and operational procedures, and a number of extremely odd coincidences, along with the facts presented about Roosevelts relations to the British aristocracy, and Britain being "on the ropes". There is enough factual evidence that this one could go to trial and be an open-and-shut case FOR the theory.

On the other hand, It's almost inconceivable that the President of the United States would intentionally sacrifice thousands of sailors, soldiers, and marines to further an agenda that would ultimately lead to the sacrifice of ten's of thousands of Americans.....

Personally, I've not decided. The rational, logical, skeptical side of me says," The evidence is there. How much more do you need?HE KNEW!" The moral, humanistic side of me chooses to believe that, while he did want the war, he NEVER intended that tradgedy.

I'm just saying the theory IS conceivable.

Food for thought.

Chuck

 

Chuck,
I think he knew.....

 

Re: Landing on the moon,

In 1978 there was a movie called "Capricorn One". It was about the first manned mission to Mars. It turns out to be a conspiracy and the astronauts are secretly pulled from the ship right before launch. They're taken to a studio in the dessert and forced to pretend the mission is still going as planned.

If I remember right, in the movie, NASA was even fooled into thinking it was really happening.

Kevin K.

 

The moon landings ended about the same time as we pulled out of Vietnam, have you ever seen the movie "wag the dog"? Then there is the whole red scare/cold war thing. Russia would have won every aspect of the space race had we not "landed on the moon" How would that look? The communists would have won by a long shot, and big-bad america would be left standing in their dust.

 

Is a 1978 Olds Cutlass without a spot of rust anywhere on it good enough for ya? Come to my house..

 

I have to disagree with the "Roosevelt knew" conspiracy theory. I think the better way to frame it is that Roosevelt and a few like-minded people had a clear vision of foriegn affairs and probably even predicted that something like Pearl Harbor was going to happen. He was well aware of Japan's plans for belligerence and that most likely we would have been at war with them sometime in the 1940s. Those who wouldn't go that far would concede that Britian was headed for war with Japan because Japan's intentions on Burma and other British Empire holdings were clear. Many members of Congress could see the problem with Japan but were profound pacifists and isolationists, so they did not want the US to get involved in anthing. Most of the US population thought that Japan was a backwards nation, never even dreaming we would care what they were doing. The lesson is not that Roosevelt knew, it's that Roosevelt was not the dictator of the US, only its president. Before Pearl Harbor, he saw the whole situation for what it was-- the war in Europe and the invasion of Manchuria by Japan was going to bring the US into a two front war on the side of the Allies, whether Congress or the American people wanted it or not. Convincing a significant number of Congressmen and Senators to this line of thinking was impossible (there was a huge amount of support in Congress for isolationism). In my opinion, you can bring up all the evidence you want about the monitoring of the Japanese ambassador's communications and other evidence provided by spies and secret agents, but you have to realize that it wasn't like all the members of the government were actually waiting for the latest scrap of information about Japan to come in. It was simply not a priority, because no one, even Roosevelt, appreciated to what extent the Japanese would go to fulfill their desires. When people say Roosevelt knew about PH, its a double slap in the face because he he is being punished for being one of the few people who actually realized the danger Japan presented.

 

If the moon landing was staged, then by far it would be the most expensive production in history, then and now. All the astronauts would be liars, along with many other admired and respected people. I personally know technicians that worked with the astronauts at NASA during the moon missions. None ever gave me the impression that it was fake. Regarding Pearl Harbor, why were all the aircraft carriers at sea? On GM cars, well it could just have been a cycle of complacency, laziness and over confidence. The "man from the Government" IS here to hep ya. There are many compelling writings that a conspiracy is the only way the JFK assassination could have occurred.

 

Excellent post Hflu,
I agree with your position, Why people forget that this is a democracy and not a autocracy, I'll never know. Your postion was explained very well. Thankyou.

 

I also agree 100% with Hflu.

Another thing to keep in mind regarding Roosevelt and the impending war is that the United States was already formally and officially committed to supplying England (Lend-Lease) at that point and "The Battle of the Atlantic" was already in full swing and had been been going on for many months. Germany at that point still had somewhat of a serious Navy and of course the U-Boats, and there were countless opportunities for Roosevelt to put the US Navy in a position where Germany would have had no choice but to directly engage them in a major battle. Think about it.....a few of our ships get sunk and sailors get killed and BINGO Roosevelt claims it as an "unprovoked attack", thereby having the excuse he needs to ask Congress for a Declaration of War against Hitler. A similar War Declaration against Japan would have soon followed. It (getting us into the war) could have been accomplished rather easily that way, IMO.

No need to wait and hope that Japan would launch a risky and unprecedented pre-emptive attack on Pearl Harbor and wipe out almost the entire US Battle Fleet in one stroke, taking the lives of over 2400 of some of America's finest, and putting the interests of the entire nation in peril.

 

I also believe that the nuclear weapons we used on Japan were not used to end the war, as they were almost ready to surrender, something like 2 weeks more they could have lasted. I think that we did it to scare the mess out of Russia. I met a guy that was going to the military academy and he done this huge 4 page report on it. Either way, it worked.

 

So you're saying that we dropped the nukes for nothing?