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It is a shame that anyone gets so low, and lonely to wonder if there is indeed a God. I have never had such a doubt, which I suppose with my job is a good thing. 
I see too much of Him in my everyday life, I feel too much of Him everywhere to ever doubt it. I know that often things happen that make us feel alone, or indignant that such a thing could happen, but we only look at a very small picture of eternity - how can we judge if the child killed on the corner by the drunk junky was abandoned by God, or simply called by God. Faith is something that is in short supply now, in the land of opportunity - crime is so high, and people say God has left us, but I think not. I have seen much worse places than 21st century USA, and have known God was with me there, so He is here, doing His thing, and probably wishing we would spend less time indulging ourselves, and more time doing the work we are supposed to do.
I am not sure what rational atheists and agnostics use about God's non existence - they probably do not think they are low or lonely..
Theo
I see too much of Him in my everyday life, I feel too much of Him everywhere to ever doubt it. I know that often things happen that make us feel alone, or indignant that such a thing could happen, but we only look at a very small picture of eternity - how can we judge if the child killed on the corner by the drunk junky was abandoned by God, or simply called by God. Faith is something that is in short supply now, in the land of opportunity - crime is so high, and people say God has left us, but I think not. I have seen much worse places than 21st century USA, and have known God was with me there, so He is here, doing His thing, and probably wishing we would spend less time indulging ourselves, and more time doing the work we are supposed to do.I am not sure what rational atheists and agnostics use about God's non existence - they probably do not think they are low or lonely..
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I know this will sound simplistic, but I think you're spending way too much time thinking about things that you can't possibly control.
Is there a God? Is he fair?
What's the meaning of Life?
Yes, I've thought about these things, and you know what? IT'S ALL TOO DEEP FOR ME! I really believe it all comes down to this:
We all do the best we can. Then, at the end of the day, can you look yourself in the mirror?
Yes? Then you won.
No? Try better tomorrow, so that you can look at yourself the next day.
I really don't think God expects any more of us than that. Leave the Big Questions for Him to sort out. And accept the advice of Henry David Toreau:
simplify, simplify, simplify..........
I know this will sound simplistic, but I think you're spending way too much time thinking about things that you can't possibly control.
Is there a God? Is he fair?
What's the meaning of Life?
Yes, I've thought about these things, and you know what? IT'S ALL TOO DEEP FOR ME! I really believe it all comes down to this:
We all do the best we can. Then, at the end of the day, can you look yourself in the mirror?
Yes? Then you won.
No? Try better tomorrow, so that you can look at yourself the next day.
I really don't think God expects any more of us than that. Leave the Big Questions for Him to sort out. And accept the advice of Henry David Toreau:
simplify, simplify, simplify..........
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Theo, While I do not doubt your faith, and I know you to be a good man, I do not see how there has never been a time in your life when you have not doubted His existance.
Just stay with me Theo
You can never trully know of his exestance until you doubt it. You can never know his wonders until you see what life might be without them.
An easier way to explain. If you have ALWAYS grown up in communist Chine, have never seen any differant. Than you think it is the best place anywhere, you are convinced that nowehre else is better than what you have But you do not truely know because you have never seen it. You may have heard it from other people, they may have told you what something else was like, but you do not know what it is really like until you expierance it. I believe that Faith in Him is the same way. I also belive now, after having gone through a time without belief in Him that the person with true fith is the one who has strayed and come back home than the one that is brainwashed and cannot believe any other way. Do you understnad what I am saying?
It is nothing against you theo, it is jsut that I hope that there as been a time in life where you may have doubted His existance, or at least His Hand in our daily lives. If you where to tell me again, that you have never doubted, and you were able to keep your liscense to practice faith. Thne you would never see me in your church, listening to your words when Faith is involved.
Back to original subject.
Yes, ther is a God, the fact that you quistion Him is not trully a big deal. The fact that if you deny...then there can be a problem...unless you TRULLY repent, and I mean Trully repent, not just saying the words.
Why should you behave? One because of Him. Two, ever heard the saying the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence? Three what will you think of yourself on down the road? Where will you be because of this? Think about it long and hard. I have been lucky, I cheated on my Gal three years ago. We split up for a year, I joined the military, came back a years later, We have now been together for two years, and that is one thing I will NEVER do again. I have seen what my life is like without her, and I will not let that happen again.
Okay, work stinks most of the time. The whole system stinks, the people who deserve the most get paid the lest, the least deserving get the most....ARRRGGGGHHH!!!! If things went the way they should, then most of the poeple on this site would have about 20 Ford Trucks, not becuse you are a Ford Fan but because most of the popel on this board are down to earth hard working folk, farmers, ranchers, military. a few others I have not mentioned but you get the drift.
And..for the last one.... NO!!! you need your DOG man, where is the dog? gotta have him to make life complete, that and a fishin pole and a pirough(small wooden boat, kinda like a canoe)
Lataz.
Just stay with me Theo
You can never trully know of his exestance until you doubt it. You can never know his wonders until you see what life might be without them.
An easier way to explain. If you have ALWAYS grown up in communist Chine, have never seen any differant. Than you think it is the best place anywhere, you are convinced that nowehre else is better than what you have But you do not truely know because you have never seen it. You may have heard it from other people, they may have told you what something else was like, but you do not know what it is really like until you expierance it. I believe that Faith in Him is the same way. I also belive now, after having gone through a time without belief in Him that the person with true fith is the one who has strayed and come back home than the one that is brainwashed and cannot believe any other way. Do you understnad what I am saying?
It is nothing against you theo, it is jsut that I hope that there as been a time in life where you may have doubted His existance, or at least His Hand in our daily lives. If you where to tell me again, that you have never doubted, and you were able to keep your liscense to practice faith. Thne you would never see me in your church, listening to your words when Faith is involved.
Back to original subject.
Yes, ther is a God, the fact that you quistion Him is not trully a big deal. The fact that if you deny...then there can be a problem...unless you TRULLY repent, and I mean Trully repent, not just saying the words.
Why should you behave? One because of Him. Two, ever heard the saying the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence? Three what will you think of yourself on down the road? Where will you be because of this? Think about it long and hard. I have been lucky, I cheated on my Gal three years ago. We split up for a year, I joined the military, came back a years later, We have now been together for two years, and that is one thing I will NEVER do again. I have seen what my life is like without her, and I will not let that happen again.
Okay, work stinks most of the time. The whole system stinks, the people who deserve the most get paid the lest, the least deserving get the most....ARRRGGGGHHH!!!! If things went the way they should, then most of the poeple on this site would have about 20 Ford Trucks, not becuse you are a Ford Fan but because most of the popel on this board are down to earth hard working folk, farmers, ranchers, military. a few others I have not mentioned but you get the drift.
And..for the last one.... NO!!! you need your DOG man, where is the dog? gotta have him to make life complete, that and a fishin pole and a pirough(small wooden boat, kinda like a canoe)
Lataz.
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As anotehr note, yes I know it is a diff post but that one was long enough.
Someone mentoined the thing about a lady in Africa and a Robber who claims to repent?
My belief is that it is not if you believe persay, because not everyone knows about the Bible, or its reading, they only know otherwise.
It is how you lead your life, if you lead your life with trully good intentions, I think that is you free pass. It is when you do otehrwise, or when you look Him in the face and say no.
As for your quistins being to deep? God gave us free will so we could come up with the quistions and come up with our own answers. But he does not trully want us to know all the answers look at Revelations That thing is so friggin confusing...If God wanted us to know what it said, he would have made it easily understandable, instead he gives us something vague and confusing, that we will never be ure if we have translated completely. Look as deep as you want, but the answers you seek are already there. Good Luck, I hope you come out all right, I hope to meet everyone here on the otehr side one day? maybe we can have our own FTE clubhouse way up high in the sky? again Laterz.
Someone mentoined the thing about a lady in Africa and a Robber who claims to repent?
My belief is that it is not if you believe persay, because not everyone knows about the Bible, or its reading, they only know otherwise.
It is how you lead your life, if you lead your life with trully good intentions, I think that is you free pass. It is when you do otehrwise, or when you look Him in the face and say no.
As for your quistins being to deep? God gave us free will so we could come up with the quistions and come up with our own answers. But he does not trully want us to know all the answers look at Revelations That thing is so friggin confusing...If God wanted us to know what it said, he would have made it easily understandable, instead he gives us something vague and confusing, that we will never be ure if we have translated completely. Look as deep as you want, but the answers you seek are already there. Good Luck, I hope you come out all right, I hope to meet everyone here on the otehr side one day? maybe we can have our own FTE clubhouse way up high in the sky? again Laterz.
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My drunk rambling has started quite a thread :-)
I must apologize for not mentioning the Dog in requirements for happiness :-)
http://www.thedreyerfamily.com/kc.htm
He certainly is one of lifes great pleasures. He is our substitute child. Which may hint at another factor in my mid-life crisis. I've been married for 9 years, and there are no little people in my house. I'm not saying that's a requiremnt for happiness, but there may be a natural progression to relationships that likes to add a nurturing requirement after a certain amount of time.
I agree with the statement above, that one may have to fall off the wagon, so to speak, to get back on. And that may very well be where I am at.
I have already been through the phase where I acknowledged that the universe is too complex for me to understand. But now, I work in an environment where we do things that most folk cannot comprehend, but it certainly get's done at the hands of men. We've put over 30 million transistors in an area the size of my thumbnail (about 1 cm square). What's worse, we do it for about the price of a pair of tennis shoes :-(
To use the same scientific methods for developing Gigahertz processors and megabits of memory in which atoms are manipulated, then to completely dismiss all the science that is in evolution, it's a bit hard to swallow.
If nothing else, I am helping some of you to solidify your faith :-)
I must apologize for not mentioning the Dog in requirements for happiness :-)
http://www.thedreyerfamily.com/kc.htm
He certainly is one of lifes great pleasures. He is our substitute child. Which may hint at another factor in my mid-life crisis. I've been married for 9 years, and there are no little people in my house. I'm not saying that's a requiremnt for happiness, but there may be a natural progression to relationships that likes to add a nurturing requirement after a certain amount of time.
I agree with the statement above, that one may have to fall off the wagon, so to speak, to get back on. And that may very well be where I am at.
I have already been through the phase where I acknowledged that the universe is too complex for me to understand. But now, I work in an environment where we do things that most folk cannot comprehend, but it certainly get's done at the hands of men. We've put over 30 million transistors in an area the size of my thumbnail (about 1 cm square). What's worse, we do it for about the price of a pair of tennis shoes :-(
To use the same scientific methods for developing Gigahertz processors and megabits of memory in which atoms are manipulated, then to completely dismiss all the science that is in evolution, it's a bit hard to swallow.
If nothing else, I am helping some of you to solidify your faith :-)
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I was in a state much like yours in early 2000, my fiancee of 2 years left me for one of her sisters friends. I was then called into the ministry. But here is the clincher, I went to see my best friend in St. Louis, he is in Seminary right now, and teaching CIS as another school at the same time. Anyway back to the thread. I'm sitting at church with him sunday morning thinking I'll take off after chruch and go back home to indiana, well he and a couple other guys in the church asked me to stick around another day and go to the evening service as well, this is where it got wierd. I'm sitting in the pew wide awake and then it was like I was looking through my eyes from a distance (I was awake not drowsing) for about an hour, when I came back everything was so clear that I almost had a heart attack from the pure joy I felt as I realized what God's plan for me was. I am supposed to be a missionary to China....China of all places! I still have not followed the call, I am going to get my degree from devry so I can make a living selling sotware for years to come while I'm in seminary. I really need to find a good church around here somewhere.. I know long post and kinda disconnected but the facts are in there.... somewhere. It's late and I'm sore from a dirtbike wreck earier so I'm having problems sleeping.
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