18k a better number for trailer weight or combined weight?

 

you don't have the 4.63 gearing in your '89 f350.thats gearing only offered in the f450.so your combined gross is as shown in the pic with 4.10's is 16k or 12k if you have the 3.55's.

gross combined weight,means just that.the total weight you end up with combined.the truck,the trailer and their payload.the total weight of the whole setup as if you rolled the whole works onto a scale.

there must be a typo with that chart for the f-super (the 4.63 and the 5.13 gears.)
the diesel with 5.13's has a lower rating than the gas with higher gearing lol.that's got to be backwards.it is in the real world anyway even if ford doesn't think so.it's basically stating that not only can the 460 out tow the 7.3l psd but it can do so with higher gearing too..........umm.no.

 

I have 4.56 gears, not 4.63... Lol.

 

18k is the combined weight. Your truck alone weighs about 7,000 and then a 10k trailer weighs 3-4000. that leaves you about 7-8000 of a load on the trailer

Who put those in? 4.10 were the lowest than came stock

 

4.56 gears would be aftermarket.did you add them? 3.55 or 4.10 was the only options in there sterling 10.25's of these era trucks.

 

It came with 4.10Posi from the factory.

Original owner beefed this truck up from head to toe to tow, using quite a few Ford parts but also some aftermarket parts, and the 4.56 gears and transmission shift kit were part of that. The original owner used it to tow a 10 horse trailer several hundred miles every week, and that was fully loaded as well. That trailer also had a camper and tack room in it as well.

Sort of like this:



That, is a 45-foot 10 horse trailer with a tack room and living quarters. I doubt that it is a light trailer either. They passed all Missouri and Iowa regulations and inspections. And I personally know also that this truck has no difficulty towing a 25 foot flatbed trailer loaded down with hay.

 

I guess your Idea of difficulty and mine are two different things

A 25' flat deck will hold 250 bales and @ 75lb each, you are looking at 18,750 ON the trailer the trailer rated to carry that is about a 25k trailer that weighs 6500lbs

So..
your truck 7000
your trailer 6500
and the hay 18,750
-------------------------

…………32,250lbs

Yeah, Your truck will NOT like that

 

Truck 8000
Trailer 5000
bales average 40 lbs ea, 300 bales, is 12000
Edit: Excuse me, our totals are not the same. Total of my load is 25,000.

I do suppose our ideas of difficulty are different. I don't want to get into an argument btw so don't take me that way...

What's your idea of difficulty? What do you think the truck won't like about such a load?

My idea of safe towing, is a properly balanced load, properly secured, the truck should be able to stop the trailer without the use of trailer brakes (in case the trailer brakes should fail), and it should be able to accelerate reasonably, stay cool in all weather, it should have the front end firmly on the ground, i.e. not nose in the air, and should not feel like the trailer is tossing the truck around the road every time you hit a bump on the road.

This truck has never gotten hot when towing, during the winter I have to run a shutter to keep it warm enough, in the summer it never gets too hot. I have the heavy-duty 3.5” rear drum brakes with antilocks that work perfect (I don't get why people complain about their rabs not working, mine always work, never had a lockup), it has a power steering pump cooler, engine oil cooler, 4 tube aluminum engine radiator, auxiliary transmission cooler, hd shift kit, factory trailer brake controller (it was equipped with a controller from the factory, if its the same controller idk but it used factory wiring and relays), aftermarket torque converter (I'm guessing the trans was built up at the same time, as it had alot of beefing work on the transmission), 4.56 gears, I run synthetic ffluid in the rear axle and it never gets too hot to touch. Had the bearings inspected, both wheel and differential, they were not scores, heat, or stress damaged, just normal wear. I do not know if the springs on the rear were upgraded or not but they are plenty stiff. When I put a fully loaded trailer on it, the truck hardly squats, and it handles exceptionality, the engine and transmission handle the load very well. The truck has no trouble maintaining interstate speeds as well, though I usually don't drive at interstate speeds.

As I said before the truck was used to tow a 10 horse trailer like in the picture, only reason they sold the truck was they needed better fuel economy. They setup the truck for towing that, and passed DOT inspections with that trailer fully loaded.

And like I said I'm not trying to argue, I think its an interesting subject.

Past couple loads I've only been 16000 trailer weight simply because I found out I'm not licensed right.

 

What kind of hay bales are only 40lbs? Straw bales weigh more than that?

As for the truck not liking it. I say that when the tuck will not hold the speed limit. And there is no way the truck will gross out at 25,00lbs and hold the speed limit unless all you drive on are flat roads. My dually has a hard enough time doing the speed limit grossing out at 21k and I have 300hp to the tires

 

some balers will put out 40 pound bales, obviously a very loosely packed bale, it also depends on grass too, some farmers say they put out a bale every 10 yards that weigh 60 pounds and some say a bale every 14 to 15 yards that weigh arond 40

 

We make our bales very small and tight. Most years they weigh around 50-60lbs but the past two years the drought and strange frost patterns have wiped out most of the alfalfa etc. so the bales are very light because they are extremely dry. I've never had such dry bales ever...

I usually drive slower than the speed limit when I'm towing on the highway. The interstate is fairly flat, so it never has any trouble maintaining the speed limit. On the highway we have some fairly difficult hills, and I know of no truck that can maintain speed on those hills, the road is very rough and they are very steep. I am able to maintain 45MPH with either of the trucks on that hill. Otherwise the truck handles the hills and maintains its speed, it downshifts well. At least it did when we first got it, I need to replace my MLPS before I do much more towing so it shifts properly again, and I'm upgrading my cooler lines pan etc. at the same time. Then I'll get a video of it...

I know several other people who have 460s and tow similar weighted loads without trouble on the hills either. I suppose we make the most of RPMs through downshifting and axle gearing. The Dodge Magnum 5.9l V8 can do about the same, granted that is a modified engine but less cubes than the 460, and has 3.55 gears instead of 4.56. I also have the high-altitude ECU so I have a few more horses than most stock 460s running around out there.

It depends on how the baler is set to make the bales and the size of the baler. We set ours for small tight bales, and then it also depends on whether they are mostly grass and how dry they are. We had one year that they were very moist and ended up being about 70lbs.

 

You must make some of the lightest bales I have ever seen. We don't have any that are lighter than 60lbs, most are closer to 100lbs

But what ever. You come on here looking for a tow rating, we give you one and you argue with it

 

Yah they are light. while I'm strong I'm not a big guy so a 100lb bale is out of the question haha.

Sorry, I didn't mean to argue. I just found it strange that Ford rated the trucks for so little when to me they seem plenty capable of more.