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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 03:32 PM
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Weight Ratings

So I haven't really seen any conclusive thread anywhere about the weight ratings of these trucks.

I have a 1989 Ford F350, 4.56 gears, 7.5L high-altitude V8, E4OD, 3.5"HD rear brakes, dual rear wheels, tow package, and a Sterling 10.25. The GVWR is 10,000lbs.

The Ford dealer said I can tow up to 22,000lbs trailer weight with my setup. I polled another Ford dealer and they said the same thing.

I don't have an owners manual, but does this sound reasonable? The truck handles perfectly with that load, never has any trouble stopping, always steers good, matter of fact you can hardly tell that a trailer is behind it.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 03:37 PM
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Depends on your gears?


22,000 is with 4.63 gears only and that includes the truck.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 04:06 PM
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Thanks for the specs.

It still seems strange to me that a 1 ton truck could only tow 16,00lbs trailer weight? Not saying that the book is wrong...

Then the next question, factory ratings aside, what would seem like a reasonable load?
 
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 04:43 PM
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It still seems strange to me that a 1 ton truck could only tow 16,00lbs trailer weight? Not saying that the book is wrong...
For one, it's a manufacturer rating, so it's probably a bit conservative (though the cynic in me would say that they want your truck to break sooner rather than later so they can sell you another one) for liability's sake.

However, you're talking about a 25-year-old truck that has 25 years of rust and metal fatigue on the frame and suspension... Bottom line: it's not as sturdy as when it rolled off the assembly line.

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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 05:07 PM
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For one, it's a manufacturer rating, so it's probably a bit conservative (though the cynic in me would say that they want your truck to break sooner rather than later so they can sell you another one) for liability's sake.

However, you're talking about a 25-year-old truck that has 25 years of rust and metal fatigue on the frame and suspension... Bottom line: it's not as sturdy as when it rolled off the assembly line.

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I do suspect it is a bit conservative.

BTW the truck has the original paint on the frame, I've spent a lot of time inspecting it to see if I could find paint peeling/bubbling or rusting on the frame and have not found any yet.

As for metal fatigue, that is actually the first time I have heard that, and it is an interesting point. I suppose if it was used off-road or was flexed significantly on a regular basis it could fatigue parts to the point of being unsafe. I would assume Ford would have built in plenty of leeway to account for normal highway usage.

Compared to the truck we used before to tow, the Ford is like a dream. It's handling is exceptional, even towing overload (if you base upon the factory rating, here in Iowa we simply pay extra taxes to tow over the factory rating...).

I know of several places around here that have their ford F350's re-rated legally to tow higher loads, and if I rebuild this truck eventually I will do the same, and that does assume you accept the liability.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by techningeer
I do suspect it is a bit conservative.

BTW the truck has the original paint on the frame, I've spent a lot of time inspecting it to see if I could find paint peeling/bubbling or rusting on the frame and have not found any yet.

As for metal fatigue, that is actually the first time I have heard that, and it is an interesting point. I suppose if it was used off-road or was flexed significantly on a regular basis it could fatigue parts to the point of being unsafe. I would assume Ford would have built in plenty of leeway to account for normal highway usage.

Compared to the truck we used before to tow, the Ford is like a dream. It's handling is exceptional, even towing overload (if you base upon the factory rating, here in Iowa we simply pay extra taxes to tow over the factory rating...).

I know of several places around here that have their ford F350's re-rated legally to tow higher loads, and if I rebuild this truck eventually I will do the same, and that does assume you accept the liability.
i am assuming since you are towing these loads you have a cdl correct?
 
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 05:55 PM
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i am assuming since you are towing these loads you have a cdl correct?
I am exempt from cdl because it is for farming. However I am going to be getting my class d1 license to ensure I am properly licensed. Theres a bunch of confusion out here in iowa around the subject of needing a cdl... For operation between farms or for farm purposes a cdl is not needed. That much is clear. Taking to dot officers they don't care about whether we have the right license or not since we aren't commercial, but they have been cracking down on light trucks more recently. But I did finally figure out that I need a class d endorsement 1 license for what I am doing so I am working on obtaining it. Until then I tow within limits for my non cdl drivers license.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by techningeer
So I haven't really seen any conclusive thread anywhere about the weight ratings of these trucks.

I have a 1989 Ford F350, 4.56 gears, 7.5L high-altitude V8, E4OD, 3.5"HD rear brakes, dual rear wheels, tow package, and a Sterling 10.25. The GVWR is 10,000lbs.

The Ford dealer said I can tow up to 22,000lbs trailer weight with my setup. I polled another Ford dealer and they said the same thing.

I don't have an owners manual, but does this sound reasonable? The truck handles perfectly with that load, never has any trouble stopping, always steers good, matter of fact you can hardly tell that a trailer is behind it.
The 22,000 lbs rating is combination of truck and trailer not a 22,000 pound trailer.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by techningeer
I am exempt from cdl because it is for farming. However I am going to be getting my class d1 license to ensure I am properly licensed. Theres a bunch of confusion out here in iowa around the subject of needing a cdl... For operation between farms or for farm purposes a cdl is not needed. That much is clear. Taking to dot officers they don't care about whether we have the right license or not since we aren't commercial, but they have been cracking down on light trucks more recently. But I did finally figure out that I need a class d endorsement 1 license for what I am doing so I am working on obtaining it. Until then I tow within limits for my non cdl drivers license.
trust me i know all about that crap living as a NW iowa farmer
 
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 08:05 AM
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trust me i know all about that crap living as a NW iowa farmer
Heh. if you don't mind me asking, you use a cdl or a class d?

I'm down in the SE here.
 
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neither, regular license, i never tow farther than 30 miles from my house so dot doesnt mind, of course there is never dot around here being i am so close to sd lol
 
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 08:11 AM
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neither, regular license, i never tow farther than 30 miles from my house so dot doesnt mind, of course there is never dot around here being i am so close to sd lol
Lol, they sorta look the other way...

depending on which farm I'm going to its almost 70 miles and partly on the interstate so I just have to comply..
 
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 08:19 AM
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Lol, they sorta look the other way...

depending on which farm I'm going to its almost 70 miles and partly on the interstate so I just have to comply..
thats another thing, i usually take gravel secondary roads or low/no maintenance roads so its rare to even meet another vehicle, also gravel roads dont have weight ratings like paved roads, as i was overloaded and met a dot and he said i was fine since i was on the secondary road which happened to be a low/no maintenance road
 
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by blue924.9

thats another thing, i usually take gravel secondary roads or low/no maintenance roads so its rare to even meet another vehicle, also gravel roads dont have weight ratings like paved roads, as i was overloaded and met a dot and he said i was fine since i was on the secondary road which happened to be a low/no maintenance road
They don't even enforce speed limits on gravel roads here...

What the DOT has pretty much always said is that they are worried about commercial drivers not farmers or individuals.

I'm actually calling the DOT office now to see if I can get a straight answer on whether I need farm plates or not when towing using a class d. ill probably be I'm hold for the next hour lol.

The advantage of having a class d is that I don't have to stop at weigh stations, and I am not subject to safety inspections either but I do a pre trip anyways...
 
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Originally Posted by 97puller
The 22,000 lbs rating is combination of truck and trailer not a 22,000 pound trailer.
Correct. That is truck, trailer and load TOTALING 22,000lbs
And your truck will not like it one bit

I think that is a BIT much for a 240hp gas truck

18k would be a better number
 
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