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From: Spanaway
That is a drop in with all the accessories.
Sean
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Lastly - please post some numbers behind your statement "ROUTINELY FAILING 6.0L engines at 80k miles or less".
Search this site and see all the failures of 6.0 engines.
My 2006 F250 engine failed at 72,000 miles.
My friend's 2005 Ex 6.0 failed at 74,000 miles.
When I see people with 6.0, I ask about their engines. Most have had head gaskets problems before 80,000 miles.
Also, consider these links:
Ford Defective 6.0L Engine Class Action Lawsuit
The Ford engine class action lawsuit states that despite being launched with “great fanfare” in 2002, by the end of its short production life, Ford’s 6.0L Engines had unprecedented repair rates, accounted for approximately 80% of all of Ford’s warranty spending on engines, and forced Ford to assemble a team of approximately 70 engineers to assist Ford’s supplier in identifying and resolving problems.
Ford Defective 6.0L Engine Class Action Lawsuit
The 2003 Ford F-Series Super Duty (shown above) introduced the 6.0-liter Power Stroke diesel supplied by Navistar, and while that is an engine Ford would love to forget, it's now one step closer to putting that particular problem behind it. Automotive News is reporting that Ford has settled a class-action lawsuit brought on by problems with this engine that started right out of the gate and ultimately broke up the 30-year relationship between Ford and Navistar.
Ford settles class action suit over defective Navistar diesel engines - Autoblog
Ford has never disclosed the precise amount of those warranty claims, but losses may have totaled hundreds of millions of dollars.
To recoup that money, Ford demanded price cuts on International's new 6.4-liter diesel engine. In response, International stopped shipping the powerful turbodiesel, and Ford quickly went to court.
Launch in Limbo - Autoweek
I will search for more sources that proved better data when I have more time.
Fleet Owner
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Don't bother for my sake, it is irrelevant IMO - especially the statements from lawyers.
You can go to forums of ANY make and model and find a lot of folks with premature failures. No doubt there are many warranty claims on the 6.0L, I am not arguing that, but the words "routinely fail" really have no meaning without numbers behind them - just emotion. If you can weed out the true claims from the ones that involved customer fraud (ie heavy mods not disclosed or lack of maintenance) then you might have something.
Your last post about "International stopping shipment of the powerful engine" is actually laughable - International designed and built the 6.0L. Much (if not most) of the 6.0L issues can be placed in their lap.
You can go to forums of ANY make and model and find a lot of folks with premature failures. No doubt there are many warranty claims on the 6.0L, I am not arguing that, but the words "routinely fail" really have no meaning without numbers behind them - just emotion. If you can weed out the true claims from the ones that involved customer fraud (ie heavy mods not disclosed or lack of maintenance) then you might have something.
Your last post about "International stopping shipment of the powerful engine" is actually laughable - International designed and built the 6.0L. Much (if not most) of the 6.0L issues can be placed in their lap.
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From: Kansas City MO
, Monty,, we all know where you stand. So there's 1 for using a rebuilder,, and everyone else for doing a Ford, or building it yourself. I just posted another video about aftermarket stuff.
There's no way ashville is using Ford for the "little stuff", I am personally seeing that little stuff bite people over n over again. When we do a rebuild,, there's a trash can full of Ford packages. And all customers get a flash drive with the repair on video.
There's no way ashville is using Ford for the "little stuff", I am personally seeing that little stuff bite people over n over again. When we do a rebuild,, there's a trash can full of Ford packages. And all customers get a flash drive with the repair on video.
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, Monty,, we all know where you stand. So there's 1 for using a rebuilder,, and everyone else for doing a Ford, or building it yourself. I just posted another video about aftermarket stuff.
6.0 powerstroke damaged by 2 orings - YouTube
There's no way ashville is using Ford for the "little stuff", I am personally seeing that little stuff bite people over n over again. When we do a rebuild,, there's a trash can full of Ford packages. And all customers get a flash drive with the repair on video.
6.0 powerstroke damaged by 2 orings - YouTube
There's no way ashville is using Ford for the "little stuff", I am personally seeing that little stuff bite people over n over again. When we do a rebuild,, there's a trash can full of Ford packages. And all customers get a flash drive with the repair on video.
There's no way ashville is using Ford for the "little stuff", I am personally seeing that little stuff bite people over n over again.
When we do a rebuild,, there's a trash can full of Ford packages. And all customers get a flash drive with the repair on video.
While at college I lived in a 4 bedroom house with three other guys. Two were students and one worked at a auto repair shop. Big place with 8 bays where different services were performed.
He said some of the mechanics had friends that had cars with defective parts and they kept a list of the Year, model and part needed.
When a customer came in with a vehicle of the right year and model, they would call their friend and switch out the part. A video of your motor would been a nice thing to have.
From that day I always mark my oil filters with a screw driver before I take my vehicles to have the oil change so I can verify the oil filter was changed.
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From: Stuttgart, Ar
Nice. Does that mean you're pulling cabs now??
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on hg jobs only we will pull it, but I dont think the time is worth it when the engine comes out. We can hang a block in 4-5 hours.
edit, I just saw the shop computer is logged in as Julie?!?! lol
Im considering raising 03-04's so I dont have to mess with those crappy headlights tho. Or I will just sell them 05+ upgrades.. lol
edit, I just saw the shop computer is logged in as Julie?!?! lol
Im considering raising 03-04's so I dont have to mess with those crappy headlights tho. Or I will just sell them 05+ upgrades.. lol
Hotshot
Joined: Dec 2003
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From: Stuttgart, Ar
on hg jobs only we will pull it, but I dont think the time is worth it when the engine comes out. We can hang a block in 4-5 hours.
edit, I just saw the shop computer is logged in as Julie?!?! lol
Im considering raising 03-04's so I dont have to mess with those crappy headlights tho. Or I will just sell them 05+ upgrades.. lol
edit, I just saw the shop computer is logged in as Julie?!?! lol
Im considering raising 03-04's so I dont have to mess with those crappy headlights tho. Or I will just sell them 05+ upgrades.. lol
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From: Kansas City MO
Good point Tim,,, send me a bill. I'm a slow learner. Lol. I guess that's totally possible since the marker lights are separate. I'm having a forehead smack moment. Lol
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