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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 06:56 AM
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People who make these blanket statements about private vehicles not stopping at weigh stations just haven't gotten around enough. There are many places where private vehicles have to stop and get weighed. I get weighed on a regular basis.

To the OP, you bought the wrong truck or you are buying the wrong trailer, but good for you for stopping the process to get educated. If you tow a fifth wheel with a short bed truck, get a slider hitch. You put it in the rear position for backing up so you have less chance of hitting the rear window with the trailer on a sharp turn.

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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by philmash
My questions are,
1, what are all the acronyms? ie: UVW, GVWR etc
2, Will my 250 pull this RV safely and legally in the US
3, As the truck is new (ish) can anyone tell me a quick and easy way to increase my trucks towing ability?
First of all. nice truck. second of all, none of what I am about to say is listed in any manual. This is sheer experience.

I have been towing for going on 30 years now. Everything from 8' utility trailers to 43' behemoth toy haulers designed for race cars. I always towed with a SRW truck and stayed relatively within the weight characteristics. There were times with larger trailers on windy days that I had to seriously take stock in what I was doing, who was around me and how much "wiggle" room I needed. There were times when I realized that towing with a short wheel base vehicle is, shall we say, slightly less than entertaining. I have gone as far as to town a 1986 Mercury Grand Marquis (Full size) on a car dolly behind a 1983 Ford Ranger from Washington DC to Worcester MA. Trust me that will keep you busy.

With that being said. My last truck purchase was an 04 350 Crew Cab 4x4 DRW 8' bed. I have had everything with the exception of 5ers on the back of this truck (Only because I dont have a hitch for it) and I have to tell you the difference in towing large trailers with a DRW is absolutely night and day. The control over the trailer, and the lack of the trailer controlling the vehicle is noteworthy of epic proportions.

Either way. If the truck is not pre-equipped. get a GOOD break controller. keep a real close eye on those tire pressures on the trailer. They will fluctuate radically some days. and for god sake. CHECK YOUR BEARINGS!!!! I have been in the habit for the past 10 years or so of doing the bearings on ALL of my trailers every year. I set aside a weekend. Normally in the spring and just go to town. pull em apart, clean em up, inspect them closely and re-pack with fresh grease. This is not only good for the trailer, it causes less stress on the truck.

So.. in short. Check your weight limit. Whatever the combined weight and actual towing weight are. I suggest you stay away from it by a couple thousand pounds. Keep the max weight in the bed a little under max. Load the trailer 60% ahead of the axles and 40 behind. and above all. you are not driving a race car when you have the trailer on. keep it slow and reasonable. Just because the truck will pull it along down the highway at 95 and not feel stressed out does not mean that the laws of physics no longer apply. you do still have to stop that road train.


Just my .02. sorry for slipping the subject.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by redford
I see those signs also, but the stations are never open.

As far as an accident......I hear this all the time, but I have never heard from anyone driving a pickup and towing a travel trailer getting a ticket, warning, fine violation or severe scolding for exceeding the manfacturer's recommended maximum towing weight, or being held liable because they were in an accident and were over that magic GCWR.

If you can prove otherwise, please do so. All I ever hear are 3rd hand accounts of "my coworker's brother" but no first hand accounts.

That being said, I don't recommend towing over the rated GCWR, unless you're very sure of your equipment, route and your load. A 16,900# 5th wheel (dry weight?) should be towed by an F-350 Power Stroke DRW, minimum.

X2. I would recommend a much smaller trailer too. While the gcwr from the factory doesn't mean anything legally, that amount of pin weight is going to put you over your gvwr and is too much weight for a 250.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MC5C
People who make these blanket statements about private vehicles not stopping at weigh stations just haven't gotten around enough. There are many places where private vehicles have to stop and get weighed. I get weighed on a regular basis.

To the OP, you bought the wrong truck or you are buying the wrong trailer, but good for you for stopping the process to get educated. If you tow a fifth wheel with a short bed truck, get a slider hitch. You put it in the rear position for backing up so you have less chance of hitting the rear window with the trailer on a sharp turn.

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The Op is in the US (Texas). US laws when it comes to private are probably different then where you are (Canada).

I have no idea about Canadian laws.

I have traveled all across the US to include Hawaii and Europe though.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by senix
The Op is in the US (Texas). US laws when it comes to private are probably different then where you are (Canada).

I have no idea about Canadian laws.

I have traveled all across the US to include Hawaii and Europe though.
Scott, I'm not sure where I was at when I saw it(thinking northeast though), but I have been by a few scales that said all vehicles over 10,000 lbs must weigh and specified that pick ups and rvs were included. I've been to 44 states and have only seen that type of sign in a couple of places, so it's not something I would worry too much about.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 09:13 AM
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I see the OP has already acknowledged not having enough truck for the anticipated load. My general rule of thumb is that "250" or "2500" and "fifth wheel toy hauler" are pretty much mutually exclusive terms.

While I pull with a DRW, an F350 SRW would be adequate as well. If it's only weekend warrior duties, a DRW would probably be overkill in most situations. As a full-timer, though, I'd much rather have four tires underneath my kingpin and not have to mess with things like airbags, additional springs, etc.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MTalley
My general rule of thumb is that "250" or "2500" and "fifth wheel toy hauler" are pretty much mutually exclusive terms.

...an F350 SRW would be adequate as well.
You do realize there's nothing major different between an F250 and a SRW F350 other than the numbers printed on the VIN tag next to GVWR and RGAWR, right?
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by texastech_diesel
You do realize there's nothing major different between an F250 and a SRW F350 other than the numbers printed on the VIN tag next to GVWR and RGAWR, right?
But unfortunately in all the situations that actually matter, that's the only thing that matters. I.E getting pulled over or in an accident. Yes they are exactly the same vehicle minus a sticker. But in the laws mind that sticker is more important then common sense.

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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 02TB250
But unfortunately in all the situations that actually matter, that's the only thing that matters.
You're assuming that plating requirements are the same across the US. In Texas he can register the truck for whatever he feels like paying for, it just get's more expensive when he goes past 10K. That's why F250s are everywhere in Texas, you can plate them at the lower of their GVWR or a higher number, but being under 10k cuts the registration in half. If the State puts a legal number on the truck, then in Texas that's the legal number, not what the manufacturer's sticker says.

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I have read all the threads regarding GVWR and GCWR with interest. I decided to talk to the man in charge with enforcing the laws regarding these weight ratings here in Texas.

I have a pickup truck that I pull a fifth wheel recreational vehicle. Would you please explain the GVWR and GCWR ratings that apply to my vehicles?

His response is below in entirety without any exceptions:


Mr.xxx:

This is in response to your questions concerning the use of the GVWR on your pickup and trailer.

To determine the amount of weight you are registered to carry when operating on the highway, the Department will look at your vehicle registration receipts to determine how much weight you have licensed your truck and trailer for. We will add the two figures together to determine how much registered weight you have.

For instance: Truck registered for 10,000 lbs. and trailer registered for 20,000 lbs. would give you 30,000 lbs. of registered weight.
Note: You must register for at least the GVWR of the vehicle, but you can go higher.

To determine what type of driver's license you need for your truck and trailer, the Department will first look to determine if your vehicles are displaying the GVWR for each individual vehicle. If the GVWR is present, we will use those figures to determine what type of driver's license is needed for the combination of vehicles. If the GVWR is not present, then the officer can use either the actual gross weight of the vehicle(s) or the registered weight of the vehicle(s) to determine the type of license needed.

To determine whether your combination of vehicles is covered by the motor carrier safety regulations, the officer can use the GVWR, registered weight, or actual gross weight, which ever is the highest.


The gross weight of your vehicle(s) is limited by the tire rating (as set by the tire manufacturer), a single axle limitation of 20,000 lbs, a tandem axle limitation of 34,000 lbs., bridge weight limitations, and an overall gross weight limitation of 80,000 lbs, as set in Texas Transportation Code, Chapters 621, 622, and 623.

I hope this information is helpful. If you have any other questions, please let us know.

 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by texastech_diesel

You're assuming that plating requirements are the same across the US. In Texas he can register the truck for whatever he feels like paying for, it just get's more expensive when he goes past 10K. That's why F250s are everywhere in Texas, you can plate them at the lower of their GVWR or a higher number, but being under 10k cuts the registration in half. If the State puts a legal number on the truck, then in Texas that's the legal number, not what the manufacturer's sticker says.

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Huh.. consider me educated. I don't think that's possible in nj where I live because I was not given that option when I registered my truck. But that could be because I did not ask.

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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 12:02 PM
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It's the same way here in MN. My GVWR is 10,600 but I'm registered for 12,000, so legally I can be up to 12,000 lbs.

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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 12:33 PM
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Maryland is the same way. My 2008 F250 I had registered for 12K to cover me. My DRW is at 14K
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by texastech_diesel
You do realize there's nothing major different between an F250 and a SRW F350 other than the numbers printed on the VIN tag next to GVWR and RGAWR, right?
Mostly. The springs in the back of the 350 are beefier.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 02:50 PM
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Mostly. The springs in the back of the 350 are beefier.
My understanding was that it was nothing more than 4" spring blocks vs 2: spring blocks on the 250 (assuming the helper spring on the F250).

Drivetrain, frame, axles, wheels / tires are all the same, of course. The higher rear height gives a little more 'squat' room, but you could easily modify an F-250 to "be" an F-350.

As for GVWR, in NH they register based upon the door sticker, but a GVWR of 10k means more reg. money than one of the optional 9900 GVWR. Unfortunately I'm at 10k.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2014 | 03:14 PM
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Maryland is the same way. My 2008 F250 I had registered for 12K to cover me. My DRW is at 14K
Registering to pull the correct amount of weight and being able to pull the registered weight are two different things.

Overloaded is overloaded. Paying to get a slip of paper that says you can, doesn't mean you can (safely). Now, I am sure that the weight cap that Ford puts on the sticker is "under rated", but trust me when I tell you that you get into a serious injury to fatal accident, in addition to that sheet of paper, the vehicle itself is going to get looked at to make sure you were towing withing the rating capabilties of the truck.

Getting a registration that says I can bumper pull 20k pounds in a F150 - doesn't mean I should. I shouldn't even do that in a SRW 350 or 250 either.
 
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