EASY......RIGHT?
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EASY......RIGHT?
1985 F-250 460/4sp/4wd Engine from 1977 lincoln-146 tooth flywheel with 351M starter. Eating starters like cereal!! maybe 5 starts per starter, also tried 460 and 390 starters. Now with the second 351M starter- ate flywheel. Thought I had it worked out....need actual Ford know-how here. Many thanks.....
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I just wanted to share my 460 experience with you
I built my Ford F250 from a collection of 4 trucks I bought. I had a 460 in it to begin with. The bell housing was smashed out from the front drive shaft snapping off, then swinging around up against the bell housing. So I searched for a new one. I called a big salvage yard in Minnesota, the guy told me that I am looking through a very small window to find this bell housing. He did find one for me. I got the part here, then I changed my mind and put in a 300 six. I don't have a whole lot of money, and the 460 needed a rebuild. This 300 was good to go. All the parts left over after my project was done, I left at my cousin's auto salvage yard. One of my cousins said he was going to take the 460 and rebuild it.
I'm sorry that I am not much help to you. All I can tell you is there are some guys on here that used to work for Ford Dealers and they know their stuff !
It sounds to me like you have the wrong bell housing to match up with that Lincoln engine.
Hang in there and don't give up, you will get it figured out. Sending out moral support your way.
LeRoy
I'm sorry that I am not much help to you. All I can tell you is there are some guys on here that used to work for Ford Dealers and they know their stuff !
It sounds to me like you have the wrong bell housing to match up with that Lincoln engine.
Hang in there and don't give up, you will get it figured out. Sending out moral support your way.
LeRoy
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People are going to need more information than "eats like cereal"....
What, EXACTLY, fails in 5 starts per starter? Are they electrically burning out? Mechanically ground up? Something else?
Without specifics, all you're doing is wasting people's time....
What, EXACTLY, fails in 5 starts per starter? Are they electrically burning out? Mechanically ground up? Something else?
Without specifics, all you're doing is wasting people's time....
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truck: 85 f-250 4wd 4sp
enigine: 460 '71 Lincoln D1VE6015A2B
bell hosing:d7ta7505ad
flywheel: 184 tooth
1st 3 starters-460, broke of nose of starter (started about 3 times each)
9 inch clutch
4th starter-351M, stripped gear on starter-not the teeth, starter engaged/spun (started about 10 times)
5th starter-351M, ground teeth off flywheel after 4 starts
Last edited by 4604wd4sp; Dec 27, 2013 at 11:23 AM. Reason: wrong count on flywheel
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When you replaced the flywheel, which one did you have to order? A 71 flywheel? Why are you using 351m parts? Is your bellhousing a 351m? Is that why you are using such a small clutch, because it's 351m also?
Sorry I do not know all the Ford part numbers. If you don't know what the parts are from, we will have to wait for one of the guys with the factory books to come along.
Sorry I do not know all the Ford part numbers. If you don't know what the parts are from, we will have to wait for one of the guys with the factory books to come along.
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When you replaced the flywheel, which one did you have to order? A 71 flywheel? Why are you using 351m parts? Is your bellhousing a 351m? Is that why you are using such a small clutch, because it's 351m also?
Sorry I do not know all the Ford part numbers. If you don't know what the parts are from, we will have to wait for one of the guys with the factory books to come along.
Sorry I do not know all the Ford part numbers. If you don't know what the parts are from, we will have to wait for one of the guys with the factory books to come along.
I have been going by what local people have told me..bad idea I guess. The 351 starter had a larger gear and longer throw travel. Was told to use the 146 tooth that was with truck.
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....have you tried a starter that matches the flywheel? (71 lincoln starter) Assuming the flywheel is that same one that has been on the engine that would be your first choice. and to me it sounds like your getting kickback from the flywheel which is in no way shape or form good. On top of that a 9" clutch seems extremely small to me. My 86 with a 302 and a t-18 has an 11"...
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Really strong truck-solid. I got it apart and was told what to put it together with....I just know the casting numbers. Thought it was a fairly simple fix. The mesh 'looked' great with the 351M starter tho.
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I had huge starter problems a few years back when I swapped in a ZF5 and new flywheel to fit that clutch.
Not killing starters as fast as yours, but a half dozen with the same results. (snout blown off, bushing ovaled)
So you must have a zero balance flywheel for what application?
A 390???
Because there were no manual transmission 460's until 1983 (external balance)
Looking at your parts list it seems you have a mechanical clutch (D7) bellhousing in your '85 (hydraulic) truck?
Hydraulic clutches started in 1983.
There are differing engagement depths for flywheel and flexplate ring gears.
I ended up using a late model manual starter and forcing it tighter to the crank.
Not killing starters as fast as yours, but a half dozen with the same results. (snout blown off, bushing ovaled)
So you must have a zero balance flywheel for what application?
A 390???
Because there were no manual transmission 460's until 1983 (external balance)
Looking at your parts list it seems you have a mechanical clutch (D7) bellhousing in your '85 (hydraulic) truck?
Hydraulic clutches started in 1983.
There are differing engagement depths for flywheel and flexplate ring gears.
I ended up using a late model manual starter and forcing it tighter to the crank.
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God bless america man it sounds like you got frankensteins eveil twin brother. Seein g the truck was originally automatic, was the trans mated to the engine or were they seperate? I would certainly hope that some didnt throw a 4spd. out of a car in there, was the truck originally 4wd? If you have a mechanical clutch then its not the original trans.
Just a thought to add onto what ardwrkntrck said, What base were you using to get a flywheel as in make model and year because lincoln never made man. transmissions.
Just a thought to add onto what ardwrkntrck said, What base were you using to get a flywheel as in make model and year because lincoln never made man. transmissions.